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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1168279053 Message started by Bikemom28 on 01/08/07 at 09:57:33 |
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Title: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Bikemom28 on 01/08/07 at 09:57:33 I have a new engine to put on my bike but there is one problem holding me back the system that holds the belt drive in wont budge. I have an air wrench tool and at 130 psi it won't budge :'( any suggestions? |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Rogue_Cheddar on 01/08/07 at 10:04:46 Are you referring to the 32 mm nut on the front sprocket? If so, did you flatten the tab of the locking nut? I changed my belt last year, but I don't remember if the threads are reversed, I'll try to look it up in my Clymer's when I get home. |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by justin_o_guy on 01/08/07 at 10:20:41 Since the pulley is on the left side & the top rotates to the front of the bike, if the nut was loose & just placed on it, no belt & the engine gunned, the direction of the shaft would tend to tighten the nut, all by itself, so it won't be left handed. |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by justin_o_guy on 01/08/07 at 10:25:17 Since the pulley is on the left side & the top rotates to the front of the bike, if the nut was loose & just placed on it, no belt & the engine gunned, the direction of the shaft would tend to tighten the nut, all by itself, so it won't be left handed. Well, shouldn't be. There's no reason for it. Since the loads the nut encounters would tend to tighten it if it is normal, righty tighty stuff. What's wrong with the old engine & what ya gonna do with it? |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Phelonius on 01/08/07 at 10:26:39 Aerokroil, it can penetrate into fissures as small as one millionth of an inch according to the manufacturer. I have used it to release some awefully stuck bolts. Phelonius |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Bikemom28 on 01/08/07 at 11:08:26 My husband decided to cut the bolt. :oThank God we had a spare bolt. ;D The engine That is being replaced there is nothing wrong with it. Not sure what I am going to do with it. |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by justin_o_guy on 01/08/07 at 11:13:11 I think having a spare engine would be very handy indeed. Why did ya replace it? If it's good enough to get around with it might be something I would want, just so I could stick it in & ride while I work on mine, when it's time to do the big stuff I don't want to be walking. |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Phelonius on 01/08/07 at 11:13:48 Bikemom28 wrote:
Build a whomping thumping Go-kart Phelonius |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Bikemom28 on 01/08/07 at 11:35:02 Now there's a thought ;D. I might just keep it around to to have it as a back up engine. The luck I have had with cam chains :'(. Thank God I didn't drive it and the cam chain busted. It was rattling when we got it and We knew we had to replace the cam chain. |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by justin_o_guy on 01/08/07 at 11:52:02 If I had it I would spend the least $$$ I could on it to get it dependable . The I'd mothball it for when mine needed work that would down my bike for a few days. Then I would sawp & run the spare, fix the other & mothball that one till the spare needed work.Awww hekk yea, you got it goin ONN now! If you decide you would rather sell that engine, let me know what kinda $$$ you want. I'll think about it..for sure. |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Greg_650 on 01/08/07 at 12:04:17 Bikemom28 wrote:
Is this fixed? Though I'm not sure what the problem is. Did he cut the bolt or the belt? |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Bikemom28 on 01/08/07 at 13:45:49 He cut the bolt. I wouln't dare cut the belt. I want my motorcyle to run and be drivable when were done. We did get the new engine in and now we have to figure out why the clutch inside the engine is not retracting like it's suppose to. :-[ |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Greg_650 on 01/08/07 at 14:01:46 [quote author=Bikemom28 link=board=RubberSideDown;num=1168279053;start=0#11 date=01/08/07 at 13:45:49]He cut the bolt. I wouln't dare cut the belt. I want my motorcyle to run and be drivable when were done. We did get the new engine in and now we have to figure out why the clutch inside the engine is not retracting like it's suppose to. :-[/quote] You mean the lever won't move? |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Bikemom28 on 01/08/07 at 15:22:41 No I mean it will move but it won't auto Retract. You can pull it in but it won't go back into place. Just like when you pull the clutch to shift gears and it automatically goes back it wont go back it stay's in the same spot once pulled it to shift gears clutch stay's engaged. |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by sluggo on 01/08/07 at 15:50:52 Bikemom28 wrote:
lube cable and connections, check clutch springs. |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Bikemom28 on 01/08/07 at 16:46:17 That will be the next thing. I have plenty of time on my hands right now. I am supose to be on bed rest until the end of this week until they can regulate the blood pressure. |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by sparkett on 01/08/07 at 18:26:19 If you have the Clymers book, Look on page 160 fig.54. and 161 fig 57 for theclutch return spring AND the right location for it to work. :D sparkett |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Bikemom28 on 01/08/07 at 19:00:38 No haven't order the book yet. |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by justin_o_guy on 01/08/07 at 19:12:13 What happens if the clutch cable is disconnected from the engine end? This will isolate the problem to either the clutch cable being in need of maintenance/lube or something else, like the clutch spring referred to in the Sparkette |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Bikemom28 on 01/08/07 at 20:32:20 I know the cable is good. Were going to be lubing it first to see what happens. |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Greg_650 on 01/08/07 at 20:50:55 Bikemom28 wrote:
Not really enough info...did you pull it once and that was it? Did it stay there or creep back? How do you know that the cable is good? It doesn't appear to work if it won't go back. Worse case scenario would be a clutch problem but that's unlikely. Follow what Sluggo and Justin suggested. Loosen the cable to where you can remove it from the lever. Then squirt WD40 into the end and let it run downhill to the clutch end. Be generous. Be messy. Let it sit and see if it loosens up. (Trying to see if it's just a stuck cable or a broken one). If that doesn't work, pull both ends loose (at the clutch too) and see if the cable will move freely from both ends. You'll also be at the clutch actuator at this point and you will know if it's internal by the spring pressure. As Sparkett said, I hope you have a manual too. |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Bikemom28 on 01/08/07 at 20:59:14 The clutch lever moves freely. Cable moves freely. |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by justin_o_guy on 01/08/07 at 21:02:45 I would still start by isolating the cable from the clutch actuator at the engine. That way it will be obvious where the problem lies in a matter of a minute. No messy oil all over the work area to contend with. If it's the cable, which will shock me because it's on a biuke that was being ridden & the clutch cable wasn't giving problems, or at least, not talked about here yet. So, my guess, based on what has been said is something to do with the clutch internally or something binding between the case & the actuator arm the cable attaches to. |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Greg_650 on 01/08/07 at 21:14:53 Bikemom28 wrote:
Are you saying that you already disconnected the cable, it moves freely and the clutch won't retract? Is the clutch actuator at the transmission stuck UP? Clutch won't retract where? :P |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Bikemom28 on 01/11/07 at 09:20:13 Sorry it took so long to get back. My lovely husband forgot to bleed the clutch plate for the fluids. That is what he is thinking is th problem. If that does not work He is going to disconnect the clutch cable from the engine. Hey Sprakett. TVR sent me a scan of the clutch cable figures you told me about. He is looking into that also. Will keep you all informed. Thanks Again all. :) |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Greg_650 on 01/11/07 at 10:45:39 Yeah, please keep us updated. I wanna hear about the clutch bleeding and how that works out. |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Bikemom28 on 01/11/07 at 11:39:36 Greg_650 wrote:
Okay You know I don't know what I was thinking when I told you that we had to bleed the clutch. I know you were trying to be funny haha jokes on me. :-[ Sorry that is what My husband has to do for the truck. Sorry. :-[ We did how every find that the clutch was missing the return spring on the motorcyle. My Bad Sorry. |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Greg_650 on 01/11/07 at 12:19:19 Bikemom28 wrote:
Okay. Yes, I was teasing...in a friendly way though. But now I gotta ask, what return spring "on the motorcycle"? The clutch has 4 springs. Are you missing all of those? |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Bikemom28 on 01/11/07 at 12:30:49 Greg_650 wrote:
I know you were tasing in a freidnly way. The unhappy faces was embarssment. I couldn't belive I posted that. Yeah I am missing all 4 springs. It hadn't never dawned on me that there were no springs there. It was under my noise the whole time. CAN YOU BELIVE THAT! :o |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Dr_Jim on 01/11/07 at 12:38:00 - |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Bikemom28 on 01/11/07 at 14:07:13 Dr_Jim wrote:
IT'S A SWING AND A MISS!!! ;D |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by sparkett on 01/11/07 at 16:22:18 You got mail!! |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Bikemom28 on 01/11/07 at 16:52:03 Sparkett! Thanks for the info. I would have never thought someone would put one on ebay. Thanks!! ;D |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by justin_o_guy on 01/11/07 at 17:25:41 My lovely husband forgot to bleed the clutch plate for the fluids. What is this? How is it done? Why must it be done? When? Only thing I ever bled out besides brakes & a hydraulic clutch was a deer. |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Bikemom28 on 01/11/07 at 19:47:55 justin_o_guy wrote:
I got mixed up and was talking about our 1993 chevey pick up truck. We have to bleed the clutch master cylinder on the truck. It was just the springs on the motorcycle that wouldn't auto rerelase. There were no springs. |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by justin_o_guy on 01/11/07 at 19:55:42 Thats why I suggested isolating the cable from the clutch arm. You would have known in less than 5 minutes which way to go. Toward the handlebars or towards the engine. Now, What was wrong with that engine that made ya replace it in the first place? |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by Bikemom28 on 01/11/07 at 20:09:08 Nothing. We were pricing cam chains and wanted to look into seeing how much some of the engine's were going for that were being parted out. We found a deal with this one and couln't pass it up. We just have to get some parts for the one we took out of my bike. Like carbs, starter and cam chain and adjuster. (basically we paid for the engine for how much we would have by getting a new cam chain and adjuster, starter and carbs. |
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Title: Re: DARN BELT DRIVE NOT BUDGING NEED HELP Post by justin_o_guy on 01/11/07 at 20:22:06 Well, if you decide to sell it, please drop me a message. I would seriously like to have a spare. Anyone ? If you have a spare in good running order I would like to have one. |
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