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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Oil Temperature gauge /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1168134792 Message started by verslagen1 on 01/06/07 at 17:53:12 |
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Title: Oil Temperature gauge Post by verslagen1 on 01/06/07 at 17:53:12 Has anyone tried added an oil temperature gauge? |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by Ed_L. on 01/06/07 at 20:08:25 They make one that fits into the oil fill port, don't know much about except it is a little hard to see while riding. |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by verslagen1 on 01/06/07 at 20:16:19 I know they have them for the harley's but what about us? I found this site in the UK, now I need someplace with delivery to US http://www.getgeared.co.uk/acatalog/moto-detail_Motorcycle_Oil_Temperature_Gauge.html |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by klx650sm2002 on 01/06/07 at 23:54:55 KLX has a fan on the right radiator so when she gets hot (in traffic in town) the inside of my right thigh gets warm. Clive W :D |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by justin_o_guy on 01/07/07 at 03:52:34 I would take one of those gauges that screws into the filler plug hole. How much $$$ & where do I sign up? |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by lancer on 01/07/07 at 05:48:20 Do you think we could get a group discount? Ship to one address here and then spread them out so the overall shippping costs would be less. |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by azjay on 01/07/07 at 06:02:06 lancer wrote:
now that is an interesting proposition, count me in for one. somebody recently showed a pic of their savage with a temp gage in the filler hole, anybody remember who that was? where did they get theirs? |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by azjay on 01/07/07 at 06:08:58 here it is, where is krop located http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/2076/fc0af.jpg |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by Kropatchek on 01/07/07 at 06:26:12 azjay wrote:
In The Netherlands. Bought the gauge in Germany at http://www.louis.de. Greetz Kropatchek ;D |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by thumperclone on 01/07/07 at 08:56:59 wifey bought me a highway hawk temp gauge from classiccruiser.com..has yet to arrive tho..sender is 14mm if threads are correct should screw into front passage where oil is coming from the pump...gauge will mount to handlebars and is 48mm(about 2" ?)...took me 6 weeks to get a retailer to handle them, i started with hwy hawk web site...classic cruiser is SLOW(ordered 12/17)think they dont stock much just process the orders... |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by Greg_650 on 01/07/07 at 09:26:34 thumperclone wrote:
No kiddin'? Screws in to replace that chrome plug? |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by justin_o_guy on 01/07/07 at 09:57:27 That sounds like something that would go nicely in my plans. How much $$$ we talkin here? |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by verslagen1 on 01/07/07 at 10:00:13 I found this one but twice as much as the UK one. http://www.bikercom.com/WebCommerce/Sistema/200601/infoproducto.asp?MiTienda=100420&MiIdioma=EN&CodProdLT=250223 Found another, seems to be the going price. Someone's making a killing on these. |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by Reelthing on 01/09/07 at 05:57:54 This is where I got one awhile back - not cheap but a quality gauge and really isn't the place to put a cheap one that has a chance of falling apart - only comes in "C" not F http://www.accessoryinternational.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AI&Product_Code=AUGZ130000 |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by azjay on 01/09/07 at 06:08:21 i did a google search, and found this guy had some calibrated in deg*f, for $45 plus shipping. http://www.thumperstuff.com/index.html i haven't been able to locate them on his website, i intend to call him, hopefully today. |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by thumperclone on 01/09/07 at 07:58:30 Greg_650 wrote:
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by azjay on 01/09/07 at 11:25:28 azjay wrote:
i called him, it wont fit :( he had a savage sitting in the shop, so he got a good look at it :'( |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by justin_o_guy on 01/09/07 at 11:44:37 Does this mean Thumperclones gauge won't work? IF Thumperclones gauge WILL work, how much $$ is it? |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by thumperclone on 01/10/07 at 08:03:12 justin_o_guy wrote:
cost is < $140... |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by Kropatchek on 01/10/07 at 08:45:19 The plug I had in my hand a moment ago measured: 14X1,25 mm Greetz Kropatchek ;D |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by justin_o_guy on 01/10/07 at 11:39:50 Thats about $60.00 past my willingness level. I spose I will just have to accept the oil is exactly as hot as it is & hope I don't scorch anything. |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by verslagen1 on 01/12/07 at 21:52:49 I found this thread on another forum: http://www.intruderalert.com/cafe/index.cfm?page=topic&topicID=87534 Maurader & VS750/800 uses the same oil cap temperature gauge. I have found the gauge on the german ebay site just not terriby happy about ordering that way. |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by barry68v10 on 01/13/07 at 20:34:43 Quote:
So, Reelthing, did you put this on your Savage? If so, how hot do you normally run? |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by Reelthing on 01/14/07 at 01:13:25 well it's in that C stuff - but warmed up the '95 runs 80-85c and when it get's hot say I've been sitting in traffic - around 100c - anything over that and I'll park it for bit and let it cool off |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by barry68v10 on 01/14/07 at 03:15:21 OK, to convert from C to F just multiply by 9 divide by 5 and then add 32. So 100C = 212F. 212F seems a little toasty, but not too bad at all. Do you have an oil cooler installed? |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by barry68v10 on 01/14/07 at 03:20:00 Actually, you should be "safe" up to 115C as long as its not for extended periods, but I prefer 90C and below for normal operating temps. 100-115C is "safer" with synthetic oil tho, since dino juice can begin to sludge and need to be changed quicker. But as I said before, the engine can hack it. |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by Reelthing on 01/14/07 at 07:33:33 No oil cooler yet, the deal is the temp probe is not in the oil but really measures the air temp in the case, I've read where the oil maybe 30-40f hotter than this type of measurement because of air running in and out of the case with piston movement - it's pretty rare for it to go over 100c - if I'm stuck at long light in heavy traffic when it's say >90f in the summer I've seen it get a little over it - yes syn oil here v-twin M1 20w-50 for the summers. |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by thumperclone on 01/14/07 at 08:47:46 service manual says to warm up to 60 c (140f) when taking oil pressure readings.. found these conversion formulas: to find C subtract 32 from degrees F and divide by 1.8 to find F mutiply degrees C by 1.8 and add 32 60C x 1.8 =108 + 32 = 140F gauge due tuesday, man classic cruiser is SLOW ordered 12/18 |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by barry68v10 on 01/14/07 at 14:34:01 Quote:
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Yep, 1.8=9/5... ;D |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by verslagen1 on 01/14/07 at 14:42:07 Left the cap loose once. With the amount of spray coming out of there, I'm sure it's not just reading air temp. 9/5 = 1.8, really... you guys and your calculators! ;) |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by thumperclone on 01/18/07 at 13:52:10 well my late xmas present got here..hwy. hawk oil temp gauge....(fittiment disclamer) of corse the sender doesnt fit the front oil plug,sender is M 14x1.5 (course)plug is M14x1(fine)(not sure of the pitch is there a post on reading metric threads?) SO considered jb weld and cutting new threads on sender(must keep bike "stock" all of my mods are reversible)cant find die w/o buying an over priced set.. next stop the local cnc shop( many thanks to ed L.) and have them fab what i need along with the cooler path fittings..no hurry tho was -5f this morning!!now2 need some income to pay for my latest itch!! |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by Max_Morley on 01/18/07 at 15:35:08 Way back when I was monitoring marine Diesel engines in operation we used to set the coolant to 180 F and oil temp to 225. That was for single weight RPM DELO 30. Seems like in EN"A" school 225 was the desired temperature for Lube Oil to help vaporize any condensation out. If my memory serves at 250 deg it starts to reformulate and become a solid. I used to have a styrofoam cup of oil I took out of the oil pan of early 70's Chev V-8 the owner though that oil changes were BS. 2 days before his 2 week long vacation the engine seized as the oil stopped pumping through the engine. We salvaged the tin and block. The heads, crank and cam /related parts were junk. I kept that cup of oxidized oil in a peanut can for 25 of my 29 yr teaching career (it went from here to Europe, back to WA state, then to AK I left it there when I retired). I could lift the whole cup out of the can with a wood pencil stuck in the oil. Made a good "show and tell" for those who think 30 days or 3000 miles is a sales tool. With better oils and depending on the kind of service the vehicle is used in the time/mileage may be debateable, but it has to be changed. Another case in point is my B-i-L's '04 Chrysler full size with the 2.7 l engine that has a history of sludging even with timely oil and filter changes. Toyota and VW had a similiar problem and stood behind their product. Chrysler has yet too and the long block runs at least $3500.00 exchange plus other items and labor to R & R. Having just helped do his, it is a 2 day job at best. Interesting on my '04 Colorado with an oil monitor, the first change was indicated at 14K miles after the vehicle was put in service. I do not run the oil /filter that long but did not reset the light to see how long it would take for the computer to message me. It went 20K miles the first year, so many trips were long runs at operating temperature which is best. Also in US NAVY we used to centrifuge the oil constantly which separated the oil, water and solids by specific gravity and kept the oil healthy for long times. So the numbers presented are reasonable. Max |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by justin_o_guy on 01/19/07 at 22:24:30 So, Max, am I getting it right that at around 140 deg F. the oil isn't getting the water cooked out all that well? If so, should I stick with plain oil & the 3,000 mi. svc.? I was kinda thinkin about more $$$ oil & longer svc interval. Maybe I would be better off doin more oil changes. |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by verslagen1 on 01/19/07 at 22:59:22 Thumper... If I remember correctly, M14 is the diametrical pitch of the threads and x1.5 or x1 is the amount of progression per revolution. Compare to a 5/8x16 thread in our system it would be 5/8" diameter and 1/16" progression per turn. Check the fit between metric and english nuts and bolts, some fit with a little persuasion |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by Kropatchek on 01/20/07 at 06:06:32 thumperclone wrote:
Thread is M14x 1.25 and yes there a tread on metric bolts and nuts sizes. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1154511691 Greetz Kropatchek ;D |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by Max_Morley on 01/20/07 at 10:56:30 Yes @140 deg F and no PCV (positive crankcase ventilation) any moisture will not evaporate out. PCV like we have on our vehicle puts a slight neagative crankcase pressure will helps the water boil out at a slightly lower temperature and not let any crankscase fumes in the atmosphere. Some of you are old enough to remember engines with road draft tubes and short engine life. And when the engine was tired and you raored up to a stop a cloud of smoke would drift out under the front bumper. Engines were rebuilt around 50K miles and were pretty worn out. Now we are not happy unless we get 150 K + miles from a car or light truck engine before an overhaul. So PCV's are good things and so is better oil, and ability to cool the engine evenly by circulating the coolant from the bottom up so the temperature difference is less as ir rises through the block. |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by verslagen1 on 02/05/07 at 18:05:14 Aha! I found something I can afford! Temperature indicator strips, like what they use for the aquariums only made for your bike. http://www.framebreakerracing.com/New_Framebreaker/Mototemp_Strips.html |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by Greg_650 on 02/06/07 at 05:31:33 Interesting idea. What are the correct temperatures for the Savage engine? Or any air cooled engine? With an air cooled engine do we care about head temperature or oil temp? I know that oil provides a lot of cooling to the top end and some of those are specified for head and cylinder use, too. |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by Savage_Rob on 02/06/07 at 05:33:38 verslagen1 wrote:
Very interesting... provided the adhesive holds up to high temps. |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by Greg_650 on 02/06/07 at 05:36:03 Savage_Rob wrote:
It mentioned that they could withstand a pressure washer (which was discussed in another topic) |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by Savage_Rob on 02/06/07 at 05:45:20 I wasn't as concerned with ambient temperature strength as I was with the adhesive either melting or drying out and crumbling from the heat.. |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by Reelthing on 02/06/07 at 05:57:14 certainly cheap enough to play with may get a couple to fool with - there's a ir meter around here some place I attempt to locate and get a ballpark on the head temp from it's measurement - used it on small nitro engines - target was around 240f over 300f for very long and it was time to start looking for a new piston and sleve |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by thumperclone on 02/06/07 at 07:13:07 got the gauge all hooked up(highway hawk)had an adaptor fabed aty a local machine shop the sender unit is 14x1 not much clearance (front oil plug) had to get a drain pan washer/gasket as the surface area on the sender end or adaptor isnt large enuf for a good seal.. got above 40F sunday so went out for a ride oil temp got up to 60c(140F) only after i got off the I state.. will see this summer if a cooler is next..found a 12 mm banjo fitting for the return line but dont think the threads are correct(the plug on the right case side)will play with that later..this week looks like some good riding weather and got to keep cabin fever at bay.. |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by Greg_650 on 02/06/07 at 08:24:58 thumperclone wrote:
I wanna see. Picture please ::) |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by thumperclone on 02/06/07 at 16:05:04 Greg_650 wrote:
i havent taken the time to hook up with pallidan and figure out the whole picture thing..#1 got a $30 digi camera(wifes got a nice cannon rebel could do the disc thing)#2 got too many pots on the fire, but thats a good thing , im not bored |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by TVR on 02/06/07 at 18:42:33 thumperclone wrote:
Someone say Rebel? ;D |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by Greg_650 on 02/07/07 at 05:44:03 TVR wrote:
They're callin' your name. |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by thumperclone on 02/07/07 at 14:21:16 yeah its a rebel the digi is a "blinki" was a gift and it kinda works!! |
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Title: Re: Oil Temperature gauge Post by TVR on 02/07/07 at 18:28:54 I have an original Rebel 300....I've had a lot of fun with it. Have a little 3.2mp that I carry in the car and pos camera phone. The rebel is a really nice camera. You should break it out and put it to use! |
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