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Title: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by geo on 12/25/06 at 21:02:22 I was in a Kawasaki dealer the other day looking for some stuff, and a guy asked me what I was riding. After I told him I rode this big thumper, he said "It must vibrate you to death". I said "no" and was surprised at his question. Now, my bike vibrates very little, in fact it is amazingly smooth for such a big single. I've seen HD's sit at a signal an vibrate visably. The question is: Does this bike vibrate worse than other bikes. ??? Now, I'm an old guy, and there was a big gap betreen bikes because of kids. The last heavy bike I owned was a 1971 Honda CB450 twin. This bike was pretty smooth. The Savage was no worse than this Honda 450. I have wondered how this LS650 compares to these big V-Twins that are so common today. ??? |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by ThumpinSquid on 12/25/06 at 21:50:43 All I've ridden is singles, on dirt mind you, and I can say this bike vibrates very little for a single. Also, while I didn't "ride" it, my pops had a 1200 Evo harley softail, and it vibrated more than this little monster does. It was eight years ago, and I can still remember that it took less than two minutes for my butt to go numb on that thing. Though, that's just my experience. |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Rockin_John on 12/25/06 at 22:34:45 No. I contend that the Savage does not "vibrate too much" and that people who assume such do so out of ignorance. As big single cylinder engines go, the Savage is very smooth. But smooth is a relative thing that must be judged apples to apples so to speak. No fair judging a super smooth 6-cylinder to any engine with one or two pistons. |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Reelthing on 12/26/06 at 07:15:52 Runs quite smooth in my view for a single cyl engine - item 1 in the pic below does a good job. http://www.ronayers.com/fiche/300_0039/crank_balancer/crank_balancer.jpg |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by serowbot on 12/26/06 at 09:56:23 The guy I ride with has a 650 v-star twin and while my savage vibrates a little more than his, he is more annoyed with his vibration which is a higher frequency. Also, his vibes increase with rpm and my savage seems to smooth out as the speed increases. |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Phelonius on 12/26/06 at 11:43:36 I own a DR650SE and a S-40. In my life of riding,(more than 42 years of riding), I have owned 43 motorcycles of one, two, and four cylinders. These Suzuki Thumpers vibrate less than any one or two cylinder machines I have had, that includes three BMW airheads and two Motoguzzi V-Twins. My 6 Harleys aren't even in this for any consideration of smoothness. Thumpers I have had include one Matchless 500, two Yamaha SR500s Two XL Hondas. None of the above has been as smooth as the Zukis. I am most certainly happy with them on that account. Phelonius |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by hutch on 12/26/06 at 12:02:00 I have rode and owned dozens of Triumphs and I will tell you that nothing compares to the vibration you get from them. The higher the speed the higher the vibes. Most of the Harleys I have owned virate less as the revs go up. In conclusion. smoothest bike I have ever owned in 40 years. |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Brewbrother on 12/26/06 at 15:36:40 Its a very smooth bike in my opinion. I had a 69 sportster that would shake your kidneys lose. The CB I had before the savage had some vibration. It wasn;t near as bad as the HD but when you opened it up the mirrors were useless. |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by firsts40 on 12/26/06 at 17:06:20 ;D My 06 S40 is a lot smoother than I expected it to be. I too have had Hondas and Triumphs. The Triumph I had, and a buddy also had one, we had to take all the screws and bolts out and Lock-Tite them so they would come loose and fall out. My S40 is very smooth, especially up around 55 to 70. 8) |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by phasender on 12/27/06 at 10:19:37 I'm gonna have to agree with Geo. This might be a smooth running single, but it's still a single. My first bike was a CM400T whose carb crapped out on me, and the vibrations with stock grips were still a lot less than my little '97 LS650 with the stock in bar end weights, iso-grips, and the stilleto end weights. I love the bike, and I got it cheap, but those vibes are killer on the carpal tunnel. I've got a pair of gel palm gloves. Anyone have any other suggestions on how to reduce the vibes? |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Greg_650 on 12/27/06 at 10:55:27 phasender wrote:
My biggest gripe with the Savage is the seat. I don't care how many spacers you install or tricks you try to use to modify it. It's that rigid mounted, plastic-panned, "wrap around your tailbone" seat that gets me the most. The seat is nice and low, but hell on the prostate. What ever vibration there is, it ultimately ends up in your butt. I still haven't finished my springer seat because the stupid aftermarket seat broke...but that's another story :) |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by lancer on 12/27/06 at 11:01:38 Vibration? What vibration? When I crank the throttle I have so much fun I do not even notice any vibration. ;D |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Greg_650 on 12/27/06 at 11:12:04 lancer wrote:
Me thinks that suit of armor might be your real secret. |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by lancer on 12/27/06 at 11:28:43 Greg_650 wrote:
Oh no ... is my secret out? :o |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by justin_o_guy on 12/27/06 at 18:12:22 phasender wrote:
Aren't there aftermarket bushings? maybe something a little softer mounting the handlebars would help? I don't know if they would allow the bars to move too much with strong input, might be a safety issue. Just a thought. Heck, maybe your stock bushings have gotten hard & just replacing them might help. |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by phasender on 12/27/06 at 19:50:40 I've seen Harley polyurethane bushing replacement kits that are supposed to dampen the vibrations, but I haven't seen any after market bushings for the savage. Do you think the Harley kit would fit an LS650? |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by justin_o_guy on 12/27/06 at 21:45:38 I dunno, but if they don't fit, maybe they will be too big. Lots of ways to make stuff smaller. |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by geo on 12/27/06 at 22:23:14 I think the commentary so far is clear. YOU DON'T NEED BUSHINGS. This bike is as smooth as it's going to get! |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by lancer on 12/28/06 at 04:56:58 The Savage is VERY SMOOTH for a 650 single. Suzuki did a great job in that respect. However, when medical issues come into play like having to deal with things like carpal tunnel, then looking for ways to reduce the vibrations that are still there becomes an important issue. I would look into the poly bushings made for HD's. That is a product made specifically for that problem. If mounting means a bigger hole ... drill ... or smaller hole ... add bushings. Make it work. |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Greg_650 on 12/28/06 at 05:56:30 I wish the Savage had a 6th speed (or a taller 5th) to lower the buzz on the interstate...though, the interstate is never my favorite choice... |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by clueless on 12/28/06 at 07:24:00 I agree with Greg_650. The seat is where the problem lies....or sits. I have done everything I can think of and it is still terrible. ;D |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by phasender on 12/28/06 at 07:57:42 Thanks for the advice. I'm going to order a set and I'll report back with the results. lancer wrote:
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by necropsy on 12/28/06 at 08:00:37 clueless wrote:
I've never had a problem with the stock seat that comes with the S40. Has anyone had a chance to ride both a Savage and an S40 to see if there's a noticeable difference in the two for extended periods? |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Greg_650 on 12/28/06 at 08:30:15 If vibration in the grips is your biggest issue...and my spouse had double carpal tunnel surgeries done...there are a couple other options too. - You can install a set of Kuryakyn grips (I think they're discussed somewhere here). They are really better than the stock hard grips. Soft, cushy and heavier so they kinda act like bar end weights http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b277/gmdinusa/NewGrip2web.jpg - and you can install a Vista Cruise which allows you to take your hand off the throttle for a break now and then (ignore the helmet lock) http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b277/gmdinusa/HelmetLock01web.jpg |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by hutch on 12/28/06 at 09:14:31 In answer to the question about the difference between the older seat and the s40 seat I cannot say myself, but I sold my stock s40 seat to brewbrother, and he said it was much more comfotable than the old style. The only problem is that it is a one piece seat, so you can"t run without the pillion. That is what I wanted was to run just run the solo and bought it as soon as I got my bike. I don't have a problem with the old front seat and haven't even done a seat mod, it's fine for me but I have road hardtails for years, so I guess my butt is use to it. Brewbrother says the s40 seat is much better than the old ones. Wider and softer from what he told me. |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Kropatchek on 12/28/06 at 09:27:30 I have fit the Sportster seat . Together with the forward controls I'm sitting on my a$$ still confortable for an hour or so. I have to stop anyway for a smoke . Greetz Kropatchek ;D |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Greg_650 on 12/28/06 at 10:16:44 Kropatchek wrote:
Not having machine shop access anymore, my springer mod is on hold for a while. Assuming that your Sportster seat isn't just sitting on the bike, did you have to do any major changes to bolt it on? |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Kropatchek on 12/29/06 at 04:30:44 Greg_650 wrote:
Apart from the bracket that supports the middle of the seat and picks up the 2 OEM bolts, there 's one hole to be drilled in the fender to bolt-up the rear attachment. The bracket I made out-off an alluminum angled piece 30x30x3 mm. Tools: hacksaw, file, drill and a vice. Check-out azjays installation, mine is similar. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1161011205 Greetz Kropatchek ;D |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Greg_650 on 12/29/06 at 05:19:35 Not bad at all...but of course, I have to follow a solo seat route. The front seat mount that I fabbed for the now broken after-market seat is very similar to yours. Hmmm. |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by barry68v10 on 12/29/06 at 21:15:01 I had a Honda Magna... v-4...I know it's not "fair", but no comparison, the only way I could tell the engine was running was when I had to grip the handle bar tighter 'cause I was sliding off the back ;D Seriously, the Savage vibrates more than any bike I've owned, but it doesn't bother me a bit :) The thumper is growing on me! |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Greg_650 on 12/30/06 at 08:13:31 Those V4's are real eye candy :) |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Reelthing on 12/30/06 at 11:05:40 Fellow at work rides a Magna that is a smooth idle'n machine - mikuni carbs I think - nice older bike |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by barb36jack31 on 01/02/07 at 15:06:51 I grew up on the old British singles --Matchless 500, Ariel Red Hunter 500, Goldstar 500 , Norton ES2 500 etc. Brlieve me, this Sweet Suzi is smooth! Jack H. P.S. Those old thumpers would actually shake the filaments out of the headlight bulbs at idle. JH |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by lancer on 01/02/07 at 17:50:10 Quote:
Amen ...counter balancer? what counterbalancer? |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by john1652 on 01/02/07 at 17:56:35 yes, the thumper does vibrate some. I would actually call it a throb, and quite frankly I really like that. If you want to see a bike that throbs and vibrates just start upan older honda cr500r, if you can. no that is vibration. john ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by mornhm on 01/03/07 at 06:43:32 The Savage does vibrate, but so do other MC's. Some have vibes at different frequencies, etc. I think the variation between individual MC's is probably greater than the differences between most models. I currently ride a model that is known for its "buzz," but mine is as smooth as silk with almost no buzz except for a couple of high rpms settings. All I have to do is not ride steady at those rpms - not too hard. I do think with all that is said however most individual MC's of the model do have a lot of vibration, I just got lucky. Bottom line, if the vibes of your particular Savage doesn't bother you, don't worry about what others say. If you find parts of your body going numb, it might be time to look around, or try to eliminate some of the vibes from your ride. There is a reason they are called thumpers. |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by RadarORiley on 01/05/07 at 09:14:29 I don't notice any vibration, maybe it's all in perception, my S-I-L's Ironhorse will almost vibrate off the kickstand if it's left running & he has to tighten bolts & screws constantly. I replaced my original seat with a Oneida Suzuki Gel seat & have Throttle Rockers on the grips. They help rest my lazy hands. My biggest gripe is forgeting to turn the key on & not being able to reach to turn it on. That will humble even the coolest rider ;) |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by mickthelimey on 01/05/07 at 12:34:52 I have no problem with my stock seat, I was a cyclist for many years ,now that's one hard seat,but your butt gets used to it. I've also heard that filling the handlebars with sand cuts down on the vibes,any one done that? I have no complaint's about vibration compared to other bikes I have ridden, the Savage is a dream. |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Savage_Rob on 01/05/07 at 12:48:32 mickthelimey wrote:
So far as the stock Savage bars are concerned, they have weights inside them that would make it difficult to fill them with sand. I've heard of folks using lead shot to dampen vibration and I actually filled my drag bars with BBs and sealed them inside with epoxy in the ends of the bars. Since I did not ride it with the drag bars installed without the BBs, I can't say if it helped for sure. I also use Kuryakyn ISO grips and I believe they help a lot. |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Greg_650 on 01/05/07 at 13:54:06 Savage_Rob wrote:
It's probably splitting hairs, but is it that the bars have weights or is that a solid rod that's inside for added strength? 'Course, it might serve both purposes. |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Savage_Rob on 01/05/07 at 13:58:56 Greg_650 wrote:
I'm pretty sure they're weights for vibration. If you tap the bars. you can tell where they are and approximately how long they are. It doesn't seem to me that they would lend much in the way of structural integrity but I'm not a design engineer either. |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Greg_650 on 01/05/07 at 14:32:52 I only saw the ends of the rod when I was changing grips, but I assumed that it was a solid bar was put inside the tubing before the handlebar is formed or bent. Other than that, I don't know. I really didn't study it since I was changing grips. You think it's just 2 short pieces on the ends? Welded in there? |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Savage_Rob on 01/06/07 at 10:25:05 They're definitely two pieces near the ends. I don't recall looking to see how they were fixed in place though. |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Savage Librarian on 01/06/07 at 11:08:58 I for one like what vibration the Savage does have. To me it was a shock that it didn't vibrate more. My C50 vibrates less (no shock), but my dad's VLX vibrates about as much as the LS650. The vibration is nice. It lets you know that you're on a motorcycle. |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by phasender on 01/06/07 at 14:12:21 Like I said, my bike likes to vibrate a lot, but when I shift up earlier than usual and give it some gas, it'll give me a much louder thumping, like the engine's working really hard. Is this a normal thing, or am I just an idiot who likes to shift to higher gears too soon? |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Roadrunner17 on 01/06/07 at 15:20:47 I've noticed that too...but kinda like it. |
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Title: Re: Does the Savage Vibrate too much? Post by Greg_650 on 01/06/07 at 21:48:22 I kinda like to chug along too. That's why I wish the tranny had another cog. |
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