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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1166710802 Message started by justin_o_guy on 12/21/06 at 06:20:02 |
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Title: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by justin_o_guy on 12/21/06 at 06:20:02 After reading about the virtues of a Supertrapp & seeing the performance & mileage reports I guess the "short step" mods I have done have only scratched the surface on the performance locked inside this little bike & still managed to very negatively impact the mileage. Where's a good place to get a Supertrapp? I want my MPG back AND I still wanna be able to play with this thing. I sure would hate to put it back stock after having felt it when it is running better. But, seriously, I can't tollerate less than 40 MPG. |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by luken on 12/21/06 at 07:15:52 I just found MSRP is $308 for a new one...still looking for a decent price. |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by Dynobob on 12/21/06 at 08:47:56 http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_catalog/Product.jsp?skuId=444233&store=Main&catId=403&productId=p444233&leafCatId=40302&mmyId=13401 |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by justin_o_guy on 12/21/06 at 15:09:11 DynoBob, I went there & can't find anything for the Zuki but a Jardine. Am I missing something? |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by Brewbrother on 12/21/06 at 15:47:22 Im just curious, why not a sportster or dyna muff?? |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by Dynobob on 12/21/06 at 16:42:14 justin_o_guy wrote:
That link I posted is the page with the Savage Supertrapp on it. I seached by bike and used a 2003 LS650P. You're probably searching for an S40. There's only one Supertrapp for our bikes and it works fine on the LS and S40. |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by SAMM on 12/21/06 at 17:10:06 Justin Its on the first page but you have to wait a min for it to load....... |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by geo on 12/21/06 at 20:44:00 Just go to the SuperTrapp website and look for suppliers. I got mine at a local Kawasaki dealer identified at the Supertrapp site. To the Questioners: THE SUPERTRAPP IS ADJUSTABLE!!! This is why you get the SuperTrapp! You can dial-in the right mixture by observing the color of the discs and changing disc count. You will get impressive performance. For those who are looking for sound alone and don't care about performance, the Jardines and Harleys will be fine with you, but make sure you re-jet perfectly. |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by justin_o_guy on 12/21/06 at 22:22:59 Thanks DynoBob, I waited till the page loaded. only took about 4 minutes, & Voila! Noww I have a local distributers number & the one you gave me. Thanks a bunch. Now, the question is, how is the mounting? is it hard? Thanks all for the help. |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by Dynobob on 12/22/06 at 08:26:12 justin_o_guy wrote:
Mounting it is very easy. On my install, I decided I needed to remove between 1/4" and 1/2" from the end of the header pipe to achieve a good fit. That wasn't so easy. I used a Dremel tool and a cutoff wheel which was a slight miscalculation. In retrospect, if I did it over, I'd use a grinder. I'd plug up the end of the header pipe and wrap it with a wet towel to keep it cool during grinding. Finish up with a file. Remove just enough metal so the mounting bolts line up. It's a good idea to replace the header to cylinder gasket during your muffler install. There is no gasket used at the header pipe to muffler juncture. I cleaned the parts and put some high temp Permatex silicone on mine to seal it. Let the silicone dry for up to 24 hours before running the engine. Everything fit really well after I took a little off the header pipe. Do a trial fit and then decide if you need to shorten the header pipe like I did. |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by justin_o_guy on 12/22/06 at 10:45:03 Excellent! Thanks very much for the details. I spose having the header off will give me a shot at cleaning up the exhaust port a bit. Again, thanks to all respondents.. |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by rokrover on 12/22/06 at 11:29:21 SuperTrap P.No. is 728-50650. Dynobob is right, you need to cut around 19mm (3/4") off the end of the header pipe for the muffler mounting bolts to line up, at least on the later models. Just did mine this morning. Not quite so simple as the end of the header is stepped in three diameters; the tip is the smallest, then over that is a sleeve then finally the largest diameter the muffler clamps over. You need to trim back this largest section only, so cut carefully and peel it off. It is staked in two positions. Grind everything smooth with a Dremel. Now everything will fit just fine. |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by Dynobob on 12/22/06 at 19:26:06 rokrover wrote:
Tell me about it. Try cutting through those multiple layers with a dremel and tiny cutoff wheel ;D Also, spray some high temp barbeque paint on the end of the header pipe to prevent rust. Be sure you get the Permatex that is designed for exhaust. It will say "exhaust" or "manifold" on the package. It's rated to 700 degrees if I recall correctly. |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by hunnus2000 on 12/24/06 at 06:14:08 OK, you've got us convinced. A Supertrapp for the wife 's 2006 S40 but a couple of clarifications: 1) I'm sure just about any pipe will sound better than the stock pipe but will it defintely be louder? 2) You don't have to rejet the Carb because of the of the disc count? 3) You gain better performance? Speed and gas mileage? 4) You actually have to cut the pipe? Thanks in advance! |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by rokrover on 12/24/06 at 15:01:02 hunnus2000 wrote:
Depends on the number of discs you use in the SuperTrapp. 6 discs louder than stock, with a much nicer tone, but not bad at all on the highway. Safer too as it lets other drivers know you are there without being annoying. For riding about quiet residential neighborhoods you might want to to cut back to 5. The SuperTrapp tuning guide says 4 to 8 discs will work with stock jetting, although this is too lean anyway on the 2006 S40 and you will benefit with the mods well documented on this site. Better performance - count on it, you will be amazed. On my 2006 I had to cut the end of the exhaust header to let the muffler slide on far enough to line up the two mounting bolts. You don't have to cut the entire end off, just a strip you can peel off the clamped section after careful cutting through the first of three layers. I took off 3/4" and everything lined up fine. |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by Dynobob on 12/24/06 at 16:30:17 hunnus2000 wrote:
It's definately louder. It will make some noise, but it's not obnoxious. Quote:
No. Changing the number of disks will make it louder or quieter and give you more or less backpressure. The less backpressure you have, the leaner your carburetion will be. You should plan on rejetting with any number of disks. The bikes are too lean stock and a Supertrapp will make it leaner. You don't want to run too lean - it's not good for your engine. Quote:
You will gain alot of performance and your gas mileage will remain good. Quote:
Yes you should. The two mounting bolt holes don't line up unless you do. |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by Hashbrown on 12/26/06 at 07:08:16 i was able to install my supertrapp without cutting the the pipe. I have a 98'. It was difficult to get it in but i used alot of "elbow grease" and jammed it in there enough to barley get the bolts in place. did the soapy water trick with good results. If you can get it in their try it before you start cutting pipes |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by justin_o_guy on 12/26/06 at 12:22:53 Trapp ordered today for $270.00. Ordered a header gasket so I can drop the pipe & clean up the exhaust port a bit. I guess I better get a main jet too, have a 150 now,, Stock pilot. stock air filter. Open to suggestions! Keep in mnind I cant take that under 40 mpg. I get absolutely green with envy reading about the 50+ MPG & excellent acceleration. Those of you so equiped please show me your mods. Especially IF you ride that bike like ya stole it& still get good MPG & great acceleration. |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by hunnus2000 on 12/26/06 at 15:46:38 Thanks to all for your responses! I truly suck at the mechanical thing if I have to follow the directions. I'm much better having someone show me, especially with something as sensitive as a carb. Hell it took me an hour to put on my Memphis Shade and I nearly took it back to the shop because they ordered the wrong mounting kit......I had it on backwards. :-[ I think I can deal with the Trapp install but if any of you live in the Dallas area, there's a case of beer for ya if ya help me rejet the carb. 8) |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by stinger on 12/27/06 at 02:53:03 supertrapp, k@n air filter, no jetting and over 50 mph. maybe even 55. |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by Reelthing on 12/27/06 at 08:20:41 Stinger, couple of questions, how many discs, how much elevation where you ride and how many miles have you put on it? seems mighty lean |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by Greg_650 on 12/27/06 at 09:41:27 Interesting. We have a 2000 and 2001. We didn't have to cut the header pipe to install the SuperTrapp on either bike. The Trapp went from mine to the spouse's when I got the Raask. Maybe loosening and realigning the header pipe could help. On first trial, with 6 disks, the engine seemed too muffled. Not enough power, not enough flow. Increased to 8 disks. We did rejet on both. A couple times. Initially, because it was too lean and popped a lot on decel and shift changes. Really annoying. Eventually, rejetted richer again because the SuperTrapp was getting blue at the header clamp. Now, after all this time my spouse's bike has 14 disks and she loves it. BTW - to ensure that you can change (add or remove) disks, I cannot stress the importance of using copper anti-sieze on those stainless bolts. Be generous with it now, and you'll be doing yourself a favor in the future. |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by hunnus2000 on 12/27/06 at 14:46:11 OK, Went to our local bike shop and got the SuperTrapp for 250.00 tax included. I will let everyone know how the install goes. Stupid question......how to I get to the carb? ??? |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by geo on 12/27/06 at 22:15:54 Greg-650 is right. Make sure you use anti-sieze lubricant on the screws every time you pull the discs out. I have been using Permatex 133A without problems. Use it on your spark plug too. You will remove these discs many times while hunting down the best performance and sound. Always observe the disc soot accumulation. Clean all the discs each time and try too minimize soot by disc count. Always use the anti-seize. |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by justin_o_guy on 12/27/06 at 22:23:44 Dang Hunnus, where you live? GREG, what is the final main jet & pilot & air intake arrangement? What kinda MPG? Does she ride it hard? When she does ride hard does the MPG stink? How much do the extra baffles cost, generally? I don't think it comes with 14.. I have the silver colored anti sieze. Not good enuff? |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by stinger on 12/28/06 at 01:44:57 Reel thing, I have 8 discs. I have put about 15,000 miles on the supertrapp. I dont understand why my bike runs strong, a constant pull of power thru all gears to about 80 mph. My muffler is just a tad golden at the coupler. I just pulled the spark plug and removed the baffles from the muffler and everything is a golden brown. My header pipe after 25,000 miles is still a bright chrome all the way to the header. I am running a K@N air filter. I did take it to the dealer once to have it rejetted and after looking at my bike, they said I didnt need it. They rejet the Jardines but see no need to rejet with a supertrapp. The people at supertrapp and its brochure say the same thing. I live in portland oregon, so Im not that much above sea level and Im not sure if altitude has anything to do with it . I rode it across America last spring and crossed 11 states and it ran the same in each one. Strong! Maybe I just have a wierd bike, I dont know, seems to me if it was running lean, it would run hot and leak oil from someplace. It has no leaks what so ever. |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by stinger on 12/28/06 at 01:47:07 i forgot to add that I get somewhere between 50 and 60 miles per gallon. I can go maybe 125 miles on a a tank. if Im cruising. |
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Title: Re: Soo, I guess I need a Supertrapp Post by hunnus2000 on 12/28/06 at 09:07:31 justin_o_guy wrote:
OK I found the carb.....where the choke is located....duhhh. :-[ I live in Dallas, Tx. |
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