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Title: the saga continues! Post by sparkett on 12/12/06 at 17:56:25 O.K. got the bike running, went to go for a bite. ran out of gas,so hit a gas station. only got 29 miles to the gallon??! when filling up, noticed gas on the chrome. on further looking found gas trails on side covers and frame too. Gas was flowing out of the carb breather lines :-/ And she still started! trucked her home :'( got a new jet valve for the float and checked the rest for good measure. put her together and no more gas runing out of the tubes. But..... she wont start.any Ideas? and thanks, reading here got me this close! |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by john1652 on 12/12/06 at 18:08:17 will it start with the choke pulled out? |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by sparkett on 12/12/06 at 18:15:44 Nope :-[ and the plug was ok too, maybe not getting enough fuel?air fuel screw is out 1 1/2 turns. |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by Fido_the_Cat on 12/12/06 at 18:29:56 sparkett wrote:
O.K. Slow down. " The saga continues" What was going on before this happened? "Got the bike running" How was it running before? Have you been working on it, even if it's unrelated? |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by sparkett on 12/12/06 at 18:34:41 replaced cam and chain, got it running. smoked rich. got sea foam, ran a tank. then gas coming out of carb breather lines. worked carb...now cant start her. |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by john1652 on 12/12/06 at 18:39:26 hey Sparkett, how long have you had the bike? Has it been getting bad gas mileage, or just recently? Is it possible when you took the carb off,I am assuming you took the carb off, thay you connected the lines in-correctly? btw if you take the plug out again pour a couple of tablespoons of gas in the hole, put hte spark plug back and see if it fires. OR get a reallly really big hammer and*******no don't do that john |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by sparkett on 12/12/06 at 19:21:41 Oooh _k got her as a "bike in a box" six weeks ago(cam was streched) motor removed from frame, and all removed parts were in the box.Parts arrived and the motor went together again. Minor set back..motor jumped off bench and cracked at the top-ovaled the hole for the bracket to frame :'( MORE Parts! put it together again! got her running, but ratty. Cam must have slipped . reset timing and put her together again.Fired her up! ran, but rich, and a little rough( see prior post) got seafoam, and ran out the tank ful. She did run out better, smooth and nimble. didnt notice she was back flowing gas out of carb breather tubes. redid jet in carb, now it wont start ??? no gas leaking tho :Dtried gas in spark plug entry, didnt work. battery on charge now.plug looks good.its new and one hotter because of the sea foam and trying to have her burn cleaner. |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by SavageDude on 12/12/06 at 19:26:54 First od all, check to see if you have gas in the carb bowl. Place the petc0ck in PRIME then open up the drain screw on the bottom or side of the float bowl and be ready for gasoline coming out--Hint: some small container to catch all this fuel :o If you have a steady flow, then proceed to next step. Does it smell like raw gas coming out of your muff during the cranking of the starter? Yes--check to see if you have spark on the sparkplug No--turn the pilot air screw in all the way or 3 turn out and try to see if you can get the Beast running. That is how I did the last time my beast decide not to start after I remove the carb to do the half spacer+main jet mod. Good luck |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by sparkett on 12/12/06 at 19:43:48 Thanks! Its late, but in the am i will check spark and post if she wants to run or we will try any other suggestions you guys have. Thanks all, got so much from the posts on here i know she is gonna make it! |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by john1652 on 12/13/06 at 13:37:26 Well did you try anything that worked yet? |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by Reelthing on 12/13/06 at 14:39:58 sparkett wrote:
if your sure you have gas in the carb and a spark - might want to check the last thing touched - that washer was under the jet right? |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by Bikemom28 on 12/13/06 at 16:41:02 Maybe your Tubes that run the gas flow is not in the right spot. When my husband motorcyle has problems like that he had to readjust the hose on the top the to let the gas drain down to the carbs. His was a fuel flow problem. I don't know much but maybe it might help. :-/ |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by sparkett on 12/13/06 at 18:37:43 Battery charged, gas in carb bowl, spark plug has spark, wiring connections & fuses OK! Put gas in spark plug hole and still wont start. HELP!!!! |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by SavageDude on 12/13/06 at 19:40:43 Okay this was my goof-off when tinkering. When I did the carb half spacer mod, I also forgot to put back the spring into the slide; so I guess the slide got stuck somewhere in the mid way. Therefore, the bike wouldn't start for nobody until I put the spring back in there. Maybe you can somehow take a peek inside the carb via the opening where the air filter box connected to the carb (2 clamps and a flexible tube removed) to see if the slide is stuck wide opened. Just a shot in the dark here ??? ??? |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by sparkett on 12/14/06 at 03:41:32 spring is in! gasket is seated right, gas in bowl. cant try to start it and smell exhaust at the same time.Pulled carb again, shot carb cleaner in every hole and double checked float position too.only weird thing, choke isnt staying out, keeps popping back in. get the click and decompress moves,gas going in bowl, spark plug firing,What am I missing? arrrrg |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by sparkett on 12/14/06 at 03:42:39 What type of hammer??? |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by Reelthing on 12/14/06 at 06:08:23 Battery is a good voltage? - like over 12.3 hopefully higher than that pretty important - ing module won't fire hot enough @ 12.3 or under to run - it will put out a visible but weak spark down at 12.26 but will not run Right after you try to start it pull the is the plug wet and smells of gas? |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by justin_o_guy on 12/14/06 at 06:10:42 The plate that goes on the diaphragm, the one that has the 2 little bolts holding it, CAN be installed upside down & binds the needle up. The tiny teat goes down. I have no idea what that would do if ya did goof that up, |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by sparkett on 12/14/06 at 09:39:59 is that where the spacer is? those were boogered up and i couldnt check to see if spacer was mod or not. battery has a full charge. charged it last night. |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by verslagen1 on 12/14/06 at 11:29:41 I hope you didn't get carb cleaner on the rubber parts. It eats them up. |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by Reelthing on 12/14/06 at 11:37:56 sparkett wrote:
check it's voltage with a digital voltage multimeter cheap very handy device |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by SavageDude on 12/14/06 at 16:46:29 Reelthing wrote:
I agree with Reelthing here. When my battery is on the verse of slow death, it will cranking the engine twice or three time the most. But it will not fire up. I have to use my auto charger w/t starting setting to start my bike. It run fine until I got to work and the SAGA begin again. I had to ask my 2 coworkers to put start Suzi. It took a couple try until I push the start switch while I slowly release the clutch in 2nd gear. The coworker were breathing out of their ears when all is done ;D Maybe you can recruit someone to help you out. ;) |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by sparkett on 12/14/06 at 16:55:56 Battery charger has the quick start on it, still wont catch. plug smells like gas and so does air coming out of tail pipe. bowl gets gas. hear air sucking in and out so compression seems ok.only thing- air gas mix screw is so buggered it wont turn now :( think its gonna be all it gets at 1 1/2 turns :'( tips on getting it out and replacement? |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by SavageDude on 12/14/06 at 17:14:19 Take a look at this and see if it help http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;num=1158616759 |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by sparkett on 12/14/06 at 18:22:58 Thanks, but the carb came apart easy, just the resessed mix screw has me crazy. even found out that if i just take the top of the battery case off and lift the tank and prop it up the carb will twist in or out without too much wrestling.tight fit but doable! |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by sparkett on 12/14/06 at 18:31:06 Oh yeah, I have a meter and the charger reads 13.21! did i mention im an electrician? And a mechanics daughter?Think Dad's laughing? Miss him, he would probable find this and i would just have to grin and bear it! |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by SavageDude on 12/14/06 at 21:00:42 Have you tried with a different plug instead of the one on the bike now? Since you an electrician, you know how electronic stuff can behave mysteriously. Maybe the plug cracked and won't fire correctly. Just a thought :-/ . PS: I found this thread http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;num=1155773173;start=20#20 Maybe you can use to fix the messed up air screw. |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by sparkett on 12/15/06 at 03:09:31 Thanks. the carb is coming off again! ::) but im getting really fast at it ;D wish my screw was sticking out like the one in the pic, that one i could work with. this one is recessed in almost a 1/4 inch. almost all the way tight. guess the spring must have broken :'( or rusted away. guess 19 years is its life span.explains the "crunchy" sound while the screw would still turn tho! will get a new plug for good luck too! |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by SavageDude on 12/15/06 at 09:04:36 Squirt some oil in there to get some lubrication for the air screw. You might have to let it sit over night for full penetration. You are not the first to mush out that screw :) I did mine too and ending up having to buy a screw extractor to get it out (Yes, more tool ;D) What happened was the brass shavings from the screw head work their way into the thread thus make it harder and harder to back the screw out >:(. Take your time on this extracting saga or you ruin the carb for good. Happy wrenching :) |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by Reelthing on 12/15/06 at 09:15:33 did see a used one on ebay for $50 if you get tired of messing with this one |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by mickthelimey on 12/15/06 at 20:27:15 Sounds like you are getting to much gas,have you checked the float needle? could have fallen out,or is not in there at all,just a thought |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by sparkett on 12/16/06 at 05:37:19 Hi All! :'( Sad news. I gave up!! Ran all the diagnostics in the clymer for the electronics and it all checked out, still she wont run >:( SOOOOO.... she got trucked off to get looked at.Thanks for all your help, learned tons about her and think i can fix ALMOST any small things that go wrong.Maybe she just likes to ride in the truck? |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by Tim_C on 12/17/06 at 11:27:02 Did you try doing a compression check?I hhad a burned exhaust valve at 18K miles...drove me crazy....well,O.K., ...crazier. |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by sparkett on 12/17/06 at 16:36:50 they looked fine 100 miles ago, :) when the engine went back together.and the "rag and finger" over the hole test was good. and the put gas in the plug hole thing had her spitting gas out the muffler. Well, found a shop that would look at her, dealer wont work on an 87! ??? see what they find.kinda got the mechanics goat. went to see if they had the mix screw Before i drilled it out, he said he was pretty good at extraction, sooo.zipped home /took off carb/ zipped back -- time: 20 min! lol ;D so now he is "sure " he can get it to start! couldnt beleive i was back so fast. think he wants to "show me"?! Bet she confuses him a little too! just afraid how much labor he will put into it$$$ :o |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by georgekathe on 12/17/06 at 17:36:02 I can't add any advice to your link, sparkett, other than good trying to figure it out! seems late now even if I had avice, anyway. however, I have been reading your link & would really like it if you were to post what it was just so I know you are back in the running! |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by sparkett on 12/17/06 at 18:07:42 You bet i will! She got me thinking and scratching my head a lot, and I kept working through the problems. cam chain, timing( slipped a tooth on reassemble) run ratty(adjust valves) carb flooding( needle rubber tip had a hole) mix screw buggered. Cant wait to learn what i missed or need to learn ;D I will be happy to share this one with all,for the next person who winds up in this spot. Well, if there is ever a carb race i know i can take mine off in 20 min or less lol thanks to all Sparkett |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by SavageDude on 12/17/06 at 22:56:26 As an aircraft mechanic, I love that moment of "Ahhh, so that is what's wrong." Keep us posted on progress ;) |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by lancer on 12/18/06 at 04:47:22 Carburetors are just great fun, eh? I had to put one out of it's misery once ... very sad ... but very satisfying after I finished making aluminum dust with the sledge hammer. ;D |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by sparkett on 12/18/06 at 10:36:51 What is it with you guys and the Hammer??? I just threaten her with e-bay! ;D Just kidding, but I hope she is going to straighten up! |
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Title: Re: the saga continues! Post by Rockin_John on 12/18/06 at 22:09:18 sparkett wrote:
It’s a primeval thing. You see, the hammer was the original tool, as well as the original weapon. So when a man is reduced to his base instinct he searches for the biggest hammer within reach. As the old saying goes though: Since all tools are descendant from the hammer, any tool may be used as a hammer. But by thinking that way, you might approach all problems as though they were a nail! ;D |
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