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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> New to the forums...thinking of a Savage /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1164737995 Message started by praetorian on 11/28/06 at 10:19:55 |
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Title: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by praetorian on 11/28/06 at 10:19:55 Hello everyone. First let me introduce myself. My name is Robert and I live at the beach in sunny NC. I urrently ride a 1996 Honda CB750 Nighthawk. My wife and I bought this bike for both of us to learn on and then it was going to become hers when I got something bigger. Plans have changed some since then and it will be a few years before we can afford to get me the bike I want (new baby due in January0. Well, one of the things we really want to do is be able to ride together, on seperate bikes (she wants to be in control, doesn't want to ride on the back seat.) Now to my question. I have a guy that I work with who mentioned that he wants to sell his wifes Savage 650. She rode it once since he bought it and she is scared so she won't get back on it. I have no gone to look at it yet, but here are the specs as he has told me so far: - 1998 Suzuki Savage LS650 - low mile (he didn't know the mileage off the top of his head - I'll get this when I go look it over - low to me and low to him might be 2 totally different things.) - Yellow in color Installed aftermarket extras that are included: -Crash bars -Highway pegs on the crash bars -windshield -Saddlebags -seat back on passenger seat Here is the thing, though. The bike isn't running right now. He has had it in storage in his garage for 2+ years. When he put it there he knew it would be a whil before it was started so he drained the fuel tank. He says that he didn't do anything to the carb, though, so he is sure that it will need a carb rebuild. I have been able to do everything to my nighthawk myself with the help of a Clymer manual, so I am thinking that I should be able to get it running myself if I get a Clymer for it. He says he wants $700-$800 for it but for me to make him an offer, so he might take $600-$650 instead. What do you all think? Is rebuilding the carb on one of these a difficult thing? I just re-jetted my nighthawk this last weekend and it is a 4 cyl. Will this be easier/harder? Your help here is greatly appreciated. Thanks |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by verslagen1 on 11/28/06 at 12:37:52 With my current experience with the bike, I'd buy it without a second thought. I paid $1100 for a '96. Split seats, faded paint, lost tool kit, and battery box latch lost. And I had no experience with the mechanics of it. The carb should just need cleaning, you'll find excellent instructions here, do a search, many ref's to many issues, all small to any shadetree mech. |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by Tammi on 11/28/06 at 12:51:13 Welcome, Robert. A carb re-build should not be too difficult if you have a Clymers and previous experience. Since you have both of these, you should be OK. And of course, you will not be rebuilding per se, but just opening it up and cleaning out the stale fuel that has turned to jelly (or maybe even gum). I'm a newbie S40 owner, and I took my carb apart, re-jetted it, did the white spacer mod, and adjusted the fuel mix. I only attempted this with a Clymer's in hand and some threads on this bulletin board that I printed out. If you want to learn more specifics about taking the Savage carb apart, do a search on it in this forum (Rubber Side Down) and you'll come up with a lot of good advice. I think you've got a great chance to get a good bike at a very low price, even at the seller's high end of $800. But, it won't be a good deal if it needs more than carb work. Some of these bikes develop an oil leak; you could also do a thread search to learn more about that. Finally, the cylinder wall of a bike left in storage for that long could have some rust on it, so that's not good either. Do you know whether this guy sprayed a fogging oil into the cylinder before he stored it? And do you know if he changed the oil before he stored it? Acids in old oil can eat away at engine metal parts... The bottom line: You've got a good price, but I'd ask more questions about how the bike was stored and ask for a 30-day money-back guarantee in case there's more than a carb to de-gunk. Cheers. Tammi |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by justin_o_guy on 11/28/06 at 12:55:27 If the bike hasn't been dropped & seems to be in good shape I would take it with the caveat that when you start it if the engine is trashed( say ran out of oil) then you get your money back. The reason I say that is because I wouldn't try to start it till I did the carb & oil change. I guess you could ask him to let ya get it running & then pay him the $800.00 if it isn't mechanically sick. I mean rod knocking sick, not needing tyhe valves adjust3ed. I wish I could find a bike in good shape for $800.00. Then I would wish for the $800.00! Good luck & congratulations on becoming a daddy. |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by lancer on 11/28/06 at 18:58:57 For $800, as long as it will turn over when you hit the starter button without any grinding sounds ... it is worth the money. If it will start with a shot of the carb juice even better. If you can get him down to $600 you are getting a deal for sure. |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by praetorian on 11/28/06 at 19:30:12 Well, I got him talked down to $650 .... also there is another guy here at work who is thinking about it, so if I am going to get it I am going to have to do it pretty soon. My wife just thinks that it will be too small for her, she is a big girl after 2 pregnancies. |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by SAMM on 11/28/06 at 20:36:27 Im 300 lbs and I love my Mistress ( so my wife calls her )... Keep in mind she isnt going to be riding much with a newborn !! Buy it !! She will love it !! or you will !! ;D |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by WD on 11/28/06 at 21:27:19 Have him put some Dexron-Mercon ATF down the plug hole. As in, pull the plug and fill the plug well up. Let it sit a couple days, until the ATF has made it to the crankcase. Pull the fuel line from the gas valve, and fill the float bowl withSeaFoam. Let sit a couple days, drain the float bowl and add some fuel via the hose. Jump start it with your car (turn the car OFF). If it catches, shut it off, if it doesn't catch, change the plug and try again. She'll smoke like you wouldn't believe. DO NOT run it long with ATF in the crankcase! It's too thin, too soapy, and will fubar the clutch. If she tried to start, a buck a cc is a great price. If she started right up, so much the better. -WD |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by mornhm on 11/29/06 at 05:39:50 +1 on the good price if you can do the work yourself. I would drain all of the fluids (whatever might be left in the carb included) before I tried to crank the MC. I might even try and turn it over by hand before applying the starter. I would also get a guarantee that if the MC has anything seriously wrong as in "something you don't want to fix" you can get your money back (I wouldn't consider an oil leak serious). Enjoy your new baby(ies). ;) |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by Tammi on 11/29/06 at 06:10:49 mornhm wrote:
That's a very good point, mornhm. Pull the plug, put her in gear and give her a push. Listen for any grinding sounds, which would indicate too much friction between cylinder and wall. If that happens, there could be rust. If it sounds smooth, with a nice "puff" as the compressed escapes through the exhaust valve, then you're OK. Unfortunately, unless the owner has done gazab44's spark plug door mod (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1124016763), pulling the plug means you need to remove the tank first... Cheers. Tammi |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by azjay on 11/29/06 at 06:29:02 grab it! for $650, you can afford anything it might need and still be money ahead. from your description, it wont need any repairs, just some maintenance. |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by SeeAPierce on 11/29/06 at 07:08:19 For $650.00 I'll buy it, ship it to California and still feel like I got a good deal!! goforit!! |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by SAMM on 11/29/06 at 10:38:41 The first time I started my 87 after setting for years by the previous owner... It made all kinds of noise from the top end ( banging and Clanging ) I thought what have I bought ... But after I built up oil presure and warmed it up ... I havent heard the noise since.. I love my misstres but wish she was a little bit newer after seeing the case problems the 87 has where the starter gears are concerned :o I payed $400 for my 87 sight unseen and had to travel 100 miles to get her.. She was setting in a field under a tarp But it was love at first sight....................... |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by praetorian on 11/29/06 at 11:28:47 Thanks for all the input. We have decided that we are going to go look at it prolly this Sunday. if everything is as he says, we will get her buy her that ay and pick her up as soon as I can arrange a truck. I'll let you all know what I finnd when we go look at her. Robert |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by steveh on 12/15/06 at 16:27:25 I am also in NC and looking for a Savage. If you don't buy it, please tell me about it so I can come and take a look! Thanks. |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by geo on 12/16/06 at 23:06:54 I'd love to have an early Savage, but I'm looking for a small pickup truck now so I can go get all this stuff. |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by Dynobob on 12/17/06 at 05:23:59 That's a great price. I'm sure the bike is perfectly fine. Rebuild the carb (easy), change the oil, and replace the battery and you should be good to go. WD - ATF won't hurt a wet clutch. I run it in the crankcases of my two strokes. Instead of putting ATF down the plug hole, I'd put a teasp00n of oil just to lube up the top end. Two years sitting isn't that bad. It's mainly the fuel system that will need attention. Gasoline turns to varnish. Edit: doh! teasp00n becomes teaspoon ::) |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by praetorian on 12/19/06 at 13:55:15 steveh wrote:
We got the Savage and we are going to re rebuilding it over the remainder of the winter. If you would like, Steve, I'll contact you when it is done and give you first shot at buying it. I won't be trying to make a profit off it, just break even. It is the experience and the tinker hobby that I am after. |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by steelwolf on 12/19/06 at 14:45:49 Why would you want to get rid of it? ??? |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by praetorian on 12/19/06 at 17:29:22 It is just too small for me. I am 6'3" and 285 lbs. I can't turn the bars on it all the way...they hit my knees. |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by necropsy on 12/19/06 at 19:21:29 I thought you were buying this bike for your wife so you could ride together? And why are you giants always trying to squash this poor little bike? |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by sluggo on 12/19/06 at 19:48:17 thank goodness i'm only 5'6 a little heavy at 175lbs. thumper rides great. |
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Title: Re: New to the forums...thinking of a Savage Post by praetorian on 12/20/06 at 09:04:10 necropsy wrote:
I was buying it for her. She has decided since we got ti that she really doesn't like the cruiser style bike anymore....which really surprises me since before we got the nighthawk, that is all she would look at. Since she won't ride it I thought that I would whenever we went anywhere together. That just isn't going to happen, though. |
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