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Title: 5 speed trans Post by cafeboy on 11/20/06 at 13:05:16 hi guy i am new here. can any one tell me if i can put the 5 speed trans. gears from a 98 in a 4 speed 87 ? i love the savage but another gear would be nice. thanks (cafeboy) |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by Kropatchek on 11/21/06 at 03:49:11 Short answer>>>>>>>>>> NO Long answer: The 5 speed gearbox has 2 axles for the shiftforks in the transmission. The 4 speed has one. Hence the crankcase is different. You can however put the '98 engine in the '87 frame. (Or use the bottom-end of the 98 and the top-end of the 87) BUT The ignition parts have been changed over the years. Differences: the rotor, pick-up and the CDI The easy way to install the '98 engine in the '87 frame; install the '98 CDI together with the engine. Greetz Kropatchek ;D |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by cafeboy on 11/21/06 at 05:25:11 thanks. i hate to say it but there may be a lot of ??? (cafeboy) |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by Kropatchek on 11/21/06 at 09:09:00 cafeboy wrote:
Spent some time reading the forum. Use the search function. Get a workshop manual. Pose the questions. I.a.w. enjoy Greetz Kropatchek ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by mickthelimey on 11/21/06 at 23:09:00 Strange as it seems if and when you get a five speed you will still be looking for one more gear,some times it's hard to tell the difference between 4th and 5th,very little difference in RPM. |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by Kropatchek on 11/22/06 at 02:31:01 mickthelimey wrote:
400 to be exact. Greetz Kropatchek ;D |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by luken on 11/22/06 at 07:14:40 If there was a Savage Jeopardy I would put my money of Krop. ;) |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by Kropatchek on 11/23/06 at 08:46:22 luken wrote:
What's a jeopardy? Greetz Kropatchek ??? |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by Ed_L. on 11/23/06 at 10:32:07 Kropatchek, Jeopardy is a very popular TV game show where the players answer questions about different topics. A Savage Jeopardy would ony have questions about the bike which is why we all would put our money on you. ;D Happy Thanksgiving from the States ;D |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by smokey02 on 11/23/06 at 10:37:33 Jeopardy is a U.S. game show on tv. Have any machinists figured out a higher ratio set of gears to replace 5th? put me down for a set. |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by Kropatchek on 11/24/06 at 03:08:31 Thanks guys. The more you learn, the more you discover that there's a lot more to learn. Greetz Kropatchek :-[ |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by geo on 11/26/06 at 16:49:25 This bike never needed the 5th speed. I NEVER use it. If you want to do 80mph all day, get a bigger bike. |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by HeresPaco on 11/26/06 at 17:37:04 geo wrote:
;) Absolutely! The little Savage is a nice bike for short easy commutes. It was never intended for the long big open highway trip nor is it suited for that. It does a fun job of what it was intended for. My wife loves it for the short rides and so do I. For long rides we use a Goldwing with trailer, a Katana and/or a Valkyrie. |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by Jack_650 on 11/26/06 at 22:59:22 Maybe I'm one of the crazies, but I didn't find "the little engine that could" at all bad on the open highway for long haul trippin'. I did 4,200 miles on my 2k LS from southern MN to Miami, FL and back this lat August. The only changes I had made to the bike at that time were a V-Star saddle seat and a 4 gallon tour tank that I hung from the back of the sissy bar. I did a few 500+ mile days and as long as I stayed a tich under 70 mph the vibrations weren't even that bad. On the way home the Harley guys even let me ride a ways with them as they were headed to Sturgis. I'm even toying around with the idea of a winter run down to Langtry(sp) in western TX this winter once I get this softail tank on and the head gasket oil leak taken care of. That should put around 3k more miles on my little bike. I've considered a bigger bike from time to time (neighbor has an extra Wing in his garage), but it all comes down to ease of working on it, ease of picking it up (they all go down eventually) and flexibility. I've already crossed creeks, fields and dirt trails on this thing that I would never think of getting near with a "real" bike. It's a plenty comfortable ride for me on the highway too so this could be my starter and only bike for quite a while. Despite the returning oil leak I seem to keep getting from a different place each time. And yeah, when/if the higher fifth gear comes into being, I'll take one too. Wouldn't mind averaging around 60 mpg instead of 55 on the big slab. JC |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by klinc on 11/27/06 at 17:10:03 Kropatchek wrote:
What he said.... I put a 98 engine into a 87 frame. I fought a "backfire" problem for a week until I found out the CDI (ignitor, computer, whatever you want to call it) needed changed too. After that ran all fine. So, swap the motor and the ignitor box (had to solder the connector off the 98 wire set onto the 87 wire set too) and you got your 5 gears. :) |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by cafeboy on 11/27/06 at 17:12:42 thanks 8) |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by smokey02 on 11/28/06 at 03:22:13 I still want a higher 5th gear. I don't want a bigger bike. I don't want to do 80mph all day. Or any long big open highway trips. I want OVERDRIVE - Lower rpm - Less engine wear - Better fuel economy I still want a higher 5th gear. Are there any machinists out there? |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by Savage_Rob on 11/28/06 at 10:15:08 I kinda figured using a slightly larger rear tire was a stone-knives and bearskins way of squeezing a little more distance into existing RPMs. |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by Paladin on 06/05/07 at 06:15:44 cafeboy wrote:
Personally I'd be just as happy with the 4-speed, less shifting. |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by Kropatchek on 06/05/07 at 08:15:32 opus84 wrote:
Yes! |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by clueless on 06/05/07 at 09:44:11 Do the chain drive mod and PICK the ratio! Worked for me ;D |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by tuxedo on 06/05/07 at 09:54:29 Paladin wrote:
trade ya. the 4 speed is set up in the most confusing fashion, at least to me. I can never seem to decide what gear should be engaged since any of them are useable at any speed. I'm used to car transmissions though. They make very apparent what the stick should be doing. But seriously, what should my shift points be on this 4-speed, if anyone knows? |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by Rockin_John on 06/05/07 at 16:35:08 Quote:
tuxedo wrote:
Read my "Comparison 1987 vs 1999" post/article. After much consideration, I've come to the same conclusion. I much prefer the 5-speed for the same reasons you don't like the 4-speed. The 4 is often in the wrong or bad gear. Second is a bit fast for average street corner turning, and first is too low. You shouldn't have to go all the way to first to go around a street corner without a stop sign. First on the 4-speed is cool for digging out of the hole and running up to 30+mph though. Advantages of the 5-speed include: First is noticeably lower. Second is perfect for in-town street cornering. Third is great for staying within the 35-40mph speed traps; and fifth though only a tiny bit higher, is still an improvement over fourth. However, all of my opinion has to be taken with the knowledge that my 4-speed is running the stock 140/80-15 IRC and my 5-speed is running a bigger (both fat and diameter) Dunlop 404 in 140/90-15. I'll take the 5-speed any day over the 4. However, if you let me pick my exact gears; considering the torque and wide power band of the Savage engine, I could probably live with just three gears. First from the 4-speed, with third and fifth from the 5-speed would git-r-done. The engine would just have to live with a lot more up and down RPM, though I don't know how I could subject a bike to much more up and down RPM that my poor bikes suffer now. I do kind of ride the dribble out of them! ;-) |
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Title: Re: 5 speed trans Post by Rockin_John on 06/05/07 at 16:41:48 geo wrote:
You own a 2002 5-speed. Ever ridden a 4-speed Savage? |
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