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Title: S40 Seat Bolts Post by firsts40 on 10/25/06 at 13:56:31 Not to take up much time and space, anyone knows what size the two side bolts are for the seat of a 2006 S40? I know they take 10MM socket, I think. Lost one of mine someplace on the road after I put on a Willie and Max Hooker. Guess I didn't tighten that one down enough. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Reelthing on 10/25/06 at 16:50:15 oh no! SAMM will buy out the store! |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by firsts40 on 10/25/06 at 19:07:29 Thanks anyways Reelthing. I will look around the house. I may have one floating around somewhere. I am a Pack-Rat when it comes to little things like that. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Kropatchek on 10/26/06 at 03:53:23 firsts40 wrote:
M6 ,about 25mm long. Greetz Kropatchek 8) |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by firsts40 on 10/26/06 at 05:52:48 Thanks Kropatcheck, I appreciate the info. Ride Safe |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by DianeS. on 10/26/06 at 19:30:08 My seat bolt on one side is stripped. We already re-threaded it, but it stripped again the last time I put it in. Guess I have to either leave it stipped, or thread a larger hole once more. Hmfpt!!! DianeS. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by mickthelimey on 10/26/06 at 21:08:19 Both mine stripped,I just left them in ,finnaly today I took the seat off and tapped them both out to a 1/4 inch, I cut a screwdriver slot in the bold heads,it seems to make it easier to get them on & off,you have to take the seat off for just about every maintanance chore you do,so I made it as easy as I could. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by verslagen1 on 10/27/06 at 15:35:12 I'm thinking of replacing them with speed pins I used to use on my sail boat. I've had the seat off so many times since I got it to warrant it. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Savage_Rob on 10/27/06 at 15:55:23 verslagen1 wrote:
I've often considered something like that myself. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by DianeS. on 10/27/06 at 17:49:16 Thanks Mick - I'll try to thread it larger than. Verslagen1: What exactly are speed pins? I've done a lot of boating, but don't remember anything called that. You're right though, that we have to take the seat off an awful lot. I was trying to think of something else to secure the seat, that was easy to take on and off too. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by firsts40 on 10/27/06 at 18:53:17 It seems like this is a common problem with the S40s since, yes, you do have to remove the seat for just about everything. I think I may tap them to a slightly larger size as Diana mentioned, and replace the bolts with a stainless bolt. :) |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Steve530 on 10/27/06 at 19:51:31 I've thought about getting longer bolts and jamming two nuts on the threads at the location of the head of the stock bolt. At least the bolt would be more accessible that way. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by firsts40 on 10/27/06 at 20:13:18 That also sounds like a good idea. It can be a pain in the you know what getting at the bolts. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Rockin_John on 10/27/06 at 21:53:05 Maybe the reference to "speed pins" up this thread is what this site shows as "quick pins" http://www.bosunsupplies.com/products2.cfm?product=QRPinSuncor A pull ring on one end and little spring loaded balls on the other end to hold the pin in. Seems like the short 1/4" one would adapt pretty good; stay in, and make the seat really easy to pull. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Steve530 on 10/28/06 at 03:36:33 It might be a good solution, particularly if the threads are stripped. It looks like the pin would have to be a close fit, though, unless the ball protruds |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Rockin_John on 10/28/06 at 08:15:06 Steve530 wrote:
Yup, the ball on either side is held out a bit by a spring in the middle. If fitted into a fairly tight hole, they won't pop out without a good yank on the ring. The other kind, with the push-button, slides out easy when you push the button, releasing the spring tension on the balls. Gotta be easier than fighting those bolts back in. I may attempt to use them as part of my Sportster seat conversion. The seat is here, now all I need is to get work space cleared in the garage, and find the time... |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by firsts40 on 10/28/06 at 10:11:13 Rockin_John, Thanks for the idea with the quick release pins. I have a boat dealership just down the street, I think I will make a visit within the next few days. I would think one that is 1/2 long would fit, but not more than 3/4 long. Sound about right to you? One of my bolts snapped, so first I will have to see if a have a screw extractor that will fit to get the darn thing out. ride safe. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Steve530 on 10/28/06 at 16:52:25 IIRC, the tab on the seat is not threaded. So if you unbolt the other side of the seat, you might be able to move it over far enough to get the tab over the broken bolt. Then you could just use vice grips to turn the bolt out from the back side. Otherwise, that's going to be hard. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by verslagen1 on 10/28/06 at 18:49:13 The quicklock pins is what I'd like. Very secure, although you may need to add a second tab per side. They like to have support on either side of the engaging tab since they can't be tightened up. Maybe one long one would do. WWW.Mcmaster.com has several kinds if you can't find them locally. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Steve530 on 10/28/06 at 19:21:50 Yea lateral movement might be a problem with the pins. The front seat mount does not prevent the seat from moving from side to side. The bolts prevent the lateral movement. Looks like these speed pins are designed to hold forces perpidicular to the long axis of the pin. In other words, without any force applied that would make them slide. I don't know how much lateral force would be generated when you're riding. Maybe it's not anything to worry about. But the pins would have to be just the right length to keep the seat from moving around without a load. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by firsts40 on 10/28/06 at 23:14:23 Good point about the lateral movement. Didn't think of that. I think I will stick to the bolts and think of something to make them easier to get to. The idea you had may work, plus it would be a lot cheaper. :-/ |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Steve530 on 10/29/06 at 08:30:53 Someone makes extended, toolless seat bolts for the Triumph Bonnevilles. One end is threaded for about an inch, then about 3 inches of shaped rod, then the other end is knurled. The threaded end is also cut down to serve as a pilot for getting the bolt started. Unfortunately, they appear to be much smaller diameter that out bolts, m6x20. http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h210/Steve530/sbolt.jpg |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by verslagen1 on 10/29/06 at 09:52:12 OK, here's another idea out of the pages of mcmaster-carr... Thumb screws and coupling or extension nut. The thumb screw can be frow the simple flat up to the machine knob type. The nut will be what ever long to get the knob to a point where you can grab it. Or use Steel tubing cut to the right length. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Steve530 on 10/29/06 at 15:51:40 Well, I removed a seat bolt from my Savage, it it does seem to be a m6 bolt. Can someone else confirm that they are indeed m6 bolts? So I suppose the Triumph bolts will work. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by firsts40 on 10/31/06 at 12:58:55 Steve530, it is a M6 bolt. I bought a package of M6x16 and M6x20, and the M6x16 looked to be maybe a tad short, so I tried the M6x20 and they seemed to fit a little better. The M6x20 may be a little longer than factory, although it don't look as if they will interfere with any slight seat travel that occurs with my 205 pounds. I still wish I could find an easier way to get thye bolts in though. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Steve530 on 10/31/06 at 18:30:10 Thanks for the confirmation. I guess if you have $25+S&H for a set of bolts, you might want to go for a set of Bonnie seat bolts. I think that I might try a m6x50 allen head bolt with a nut set at the depth of the stock bolt head and a second nut jammed against it. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by firsts40 on 10/31/06 at 18:55:42 That may work. I got my bolts at Lowes for some place around a dollar for four of them. I plan on keeping the spares in a tool bag on the bike. I found using a Universal adapter with a 10MM socket, on the end of a 2 inch extension and a rachet, worked pretty good on getting the bolts in. It is still a pain in the #$% because I have bags and you have to use one hand to slightly move them to get to the bolt location. Almost takes three hands. Glad the info was handy. ;D 8) |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by 911radioman on 10/31/06 at 20:13:32 I'm very thankful for zip off yokes on my bags! Makes getting to those seat bolts a piece of cake! 8) |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by firsts40 on 11/01/06 at 05:21:37 If I replace my bags, they will be replaced with with the zipper on and off type. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by verslagen1 on 11/01/06 at 08:16:09 I bought a 1/4" drive speed handle years ago that I use when ever space permits, which is most of the time. It's like the old time hand powered drills. Once you get the hang of it, you can spin it single handed. And when you can use it 2 handed, it much faster than a rachet. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Savage_Rob on 11/01/06 at 09:41:16 I'm thinking a couple of these would work nicely for me. They're a tad expensive ($7.15 each for the M6-20) but they are solid stainless and UPS ground shipping is included for US orders. Click on image for info. http://www.jwwinco.com/products/section8/din464-ni/din464-nip.gif (http://www.jwwinco.com/products/section8/din464-ni/index.html) |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by firsts40 on 11/01/06 at 16:33:00 Let everyone know how they work when you get them. ;D 8) |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by barb36jack31 on 11/02/06 at 17:22:57 I put the seat bolt into a 10mm socket and a 6 in. extension. Then place the tip of the bolt into the threaded hole and rotate counterclockwise just a little. You will feel the threads drop into place. Then gently rotate the extension clockwise and the bolt will start. Run it in by hand until it seats and then snug it up using the ratchet handle. Just a light tug once the bolt has seated will do the trick. No stripping of threads or other problems. So far, so good. Jack H. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by 911radioman on 11/02/06 at 18:16:47 That's what I do too. I did go ahead and replace the seat bolts with the same size as all the Savage bolts seem to be soft as butter. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Steve530 on 11/02/06 at 18:51:27 Yep, that's what I do now - socket and a ratchet handle with a short extension. One reason I'm considering something else is that I don't really want to carry all those tools on the road. and I might need to access the are under the seat. Like to change a fuse. I hope a bolt with a knurled knob or allen head would offer easier access and still be a secure fastener. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Kropatchek on 11/03/06 at 02:07:48 I use SS mushroom head allen screws. One allen key in the toolbox.Because of the HD seat the fuses can be accessed easy. Greetz Kropatchek ;) |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Steve530 on 11/24/06 at 21:22:47 Here's what I came up with for seat bolts. A couple of M6x30 allen head bolts with two nuts and a lock washer on each. The nut closest to the end is set at the length of the stock seat bolt. The nut closest to the head was tightened down the first nut with the lock washer between. Neither moves in use. The bolts do not extend beyond the seat, but are easy to reach and start by hand. I give it a final tightening with an allen wrench. I do not have to remove my saddlebags to install these bolts. http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h210/Steve530/P1010005.jpg |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by justin_o_guy on 11/25/06 at 06:29:37 NIce answer there Steve. The folks at Lowes will be so happy when I walk in with both the dimes I will spend on that upgrade.What? No Thumbs Up smiley? But,, I NEED one,,, ;) |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Steve530 on 11/25/06 at 09:23:32 Yea, I've been carrying a socket with an extension and a ratchet wrench to remove the seat if necessary (like to replace a blown fuse). Now I can just tape a 6 mm allen wrench to the inside ot the toolbox cover. :) |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Savage_Rob on 11/25/06 at 12:06:28 The set I bought above work very well. I'll probably add a bit of Loctite blue next time I take 'em off. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts. Post by Steve530 on 11/25/06 at 12:33:30 Those look great, Rob. Is it easy to get them tight enough? |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Brewbrother on 11/25/06 at 14:18:06 I replaced mine with SS allen bolts. My t handle wrench is plenty long enough to reach them. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Steve530 on 11/25/06 at 15:43:04 Brewbrother, That seems like another reasonable solution. Do you carry that T-handle wrench with you? Steve |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Brewbrother on 11/25/06 at 18:19:43 Steve530 wrote:
Why?? My seat bolts have never backed out. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by justin_o_guy on 11/25/06 at 18:58:31 The reason I am changing to allen head screws is so I can pull the seat w/o a socket& ratchet. That way if ther's a problem while I am on the road I can at least get below the seat. All I will need is the allen wrench. I am thinking I will change the tankbolts too. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Steve530 on 11/25/06 at 19:30:02 Brewbrother wrote:
So you can remove the seat if needed. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Brewbrother on 11/26/06 at 04:45:33 Steve530 wrote:
Its on the tool bench. I rarely carry tools when I ride. |
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Title: Re: S40 Seat Bolts Post by Steve530 on 11/26/06 at 09:46:38 That's why I'm using the bolts I pictured. A 6 mm allen wrench will let me remove the seat and it's really easy to carry. |
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