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Title: air fuel screw Post by tefinous on 08/16/06 at 16:52:27 ok i know this is probably in the forums somewhere but i am getting wal-eyed from reading about the savage for the last 3 hours (very helpful stuff i might add) i bought my savage from a dealer used with one previous owner and i have since then installed a after market H.D. pipe (very loud) called a wild pig and am starting to do the carb work wel i have run into a problem and need a new air fuel screw for the idle mixture it is completly stripped out and i am gonna have to tap it and remove with a extractor i need to find out where to order a new air/fuel screw first though but havent had much luck........... nik |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by vroom1776 on 08/16/06 at 17:13:02 bikerbandit.com or ronayers.com or your local stealer ship. Are you talking about the PMS screw? or are you talking about the air screws? See this thread (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1098869040) in the tech sect. note the differences from year to year. |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by tefinous on 08/17/06 at 08:08:38 it would be the pilot screw or commenly refered to as the idle screw......thanks for the info mucho appreciated |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by tefinous on 08/17/06 at 17:09:16 from the above link with the pictures of the carb. opened up it is refered to as the idle mixture screw not the idle speed screw. idle mixture is the one on the right side which is the one that is stripped out on my carb. give me a 1 being the easiest and a 10 being the hardest rating on the rejetting of the carb i mean i have never been into a carb before. are the jets in a sense just screwed into place or do they have all their own adjustments on each jet. i have the jet kit on the way and was gonna have the shope rework it for me for 150 but if it is just a remove and replace then i can do that. i have 6 years exp. as a mechanic working on garbage trucks but never opened a carb before. how hard could it be????? nik |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by Savage_Rob on 08/18/06 at 06:58:09 Rejetting is very easy but I haven't replaced the pilot adjustment screw. The jets are just a matter of dropping the float bowl off the bottom. You will probably want to replace the access screws with stainless allen screws for easier access later. The main jet is easily visible and just as easy to remove. The pilot jet is in a recess forward of the main jet and requires a smalled screwcriver to access. Mine was locked in place and stripped quickly. I just used an EZ-Out to remove it and then put the new one in. In general, you may have a tougher time just getting the four phillips screws out than actually rejetting. Some folks remove the battery box for access but I didn't have to. Also, some folks recommend loosening the clamps that hold the carb so that it can be rotated for easier access. |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by babbalou on 08/18/06 at 18:49:15 I ordered a new pilot screw awhile back, BikeBandit or RonAyers, can't remember. Mine was stuck & I used a reverse drill bit to remove it. Broke off a chunk of aluminum but I JB Welded (glue) it back on & the screw threaded right in like new. |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by tefinous on 08/18/06 at 21:59:25 thanks for the sudgestion im gonna try it this tuesday and wednesday 2 days off in a row WOOHOO ill let ya know how it turned out and what i had to do lol nik |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by JerryAssburger on 08/19/06 at 23:07:34 Welcome to my problem, too, tefinous! It stinks when someone wastes the screw like that. How much is the new mixture screw? |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by tefinous on 08/20/06 at 08:58:03 lets see i went to the local suzuki,yamaha, dealer and they had to order it straight from suzuki the screw itself for me was $7.50 i also ordered the spring, washer and o-ring and they were in order spring $3.25 washer $1.78 and o-ring was $3.78 i wanted to get all the related parts because i wasent sure what i might end up doing to have to remove the screw since it was striped out. i was pondering taking a small but sharp chisle to the screw with some light taps of the hammer to set a new groove in it fortunatly i have one in my box. i love reaping the benifits of being an ex-mechanic i still have over $10k worth of tools left............ nik |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by tefinous on 08/20/06 at 09:09:29 "The main jet is easily visible and just as easy to remove. The pilot jet is in a recess forward of the main jet and requires a smalled screwcriver to access."<--------------is a direct quote from savage-rob.....question are you saying that i should replace my pilot jet as well when i change my main jet or was that just a reference so that i might know which is which in relevence if the floats?????? nik |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by Savage_Rob on 08/20/06 at 12:06:22 tefinous wrote:
Just telling you where it is. You shouldn't need to change the pilot jet unless you can't adjust the pilot circuit enough without changing it. |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by tefinous on 08/20/06 at 22:38:45 Savage_Rob wrote:
ok kewl thanks i didnt think i needed to.. the first thing i thought was oh crap i need to go out and spend more money....heck i spent about $225.00 so far on a new idle mixture screw, a o-ring,spring, and washer for the idle mixture and jet kit and 152.5 main, and a brand new barnett kevlar friction clutch disc's and oem steel clutch plates and new barnett clutch springs with 30% more stiffness for the clutch.........i figured this should make the savage happy for at least a few months until i need to replace the front brakes.........has anyone found a better braking system for the front i mean like maybe a set with larger than normal brake pads and maybe a oversized caliper and disc....just a curious question????? nik |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by 911radioman on 08/20/06 at 22:40:26 I guess I'm the odd man out here, as I just don't see any problems with the braking system on the Savage -- front or rear. |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by Savage_Rob on 08/21/06 at 06:11:56 I'm okay with it. I think it's just fine for the mass it's slowing/stopping. However, I will be installing ceramic pads at the next change. |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by vroom1776 on 08/21/06 at 08:40:24 tefinous wrote:
Still have? You been selling them? Don't you know that as soon as you get rid of your tools, you will instantly become a mechanic again, and need to but them all over again? ;D My pops sells Matco tools. He's seen this happen to many folks! |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by 911radioman on 08/21/06 at 08:45:30 Savage_Rob wrote:
I did that. I put the SBS pads on mine and I love them. |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by tefinous on 08/21/06 at 21:15:48 vroom1776 wrote:
well see the thing is i say i "was" a mechanic cause i dont do it professionally anymore and i have sold some of them in my recent past so i can get back on my feet (going through recent seperation and divorce) there are some things that i have had to fund that are more important than some of my tools....... nik |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by tefinous on 08/22/06 at 10:58:03 well i finished my rejetting today.... i put the 152.5 main jet in the carb seing as the carb already had a 145 main in it and the kit i bought from dynojet only came with up to 146......i also installed the needle that came with the dynojet kit but instead of placing it on the fourth from the top i put the e-clip on the fith from the top to compensate for the basically straight pipes i have on the bike....if curious about the pipes i have on my bike check out this link http://wildpigpipes.com/Default.htm and see the rev-up videos yes it is a aftermarket harley pipe but it looks and sounds so so good........anywho back to the jetting so after testing the mods for about a 2 hour ride i found that as the engine actually gets at the normal operating temp the performance is actually much better than anyother time it changed that old dead spot from sluggish to almost instant to the point that the engine actually races past the clutch and slips real bad......which is the next thing for next weeks project nik |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by JerryAssburger on 08/22/06 at 17:34:58 Sorry to bug you, tefinous, but did the chisel being driven into the idle screw work? Mine is JAMMED at 1/2 turn out, and nothing I've tried will budge it. If it did work, was it any specific size? My bike is pretty well dialed in now except for the cruddy 0- 1/4 throttle response. It's gotta be the idle mixture. THX. |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by tefinous on 08/22/06 at 17:42:47 well the thing is the screw hasent come in at the dealer just yet im hoping it will be in tomorrow i also went out and bought a 5/64" drill bit and a kit with a corasponding screw extractor in hopes that it will do the job.......ill let you know what happens when i get the new screw.......... nik |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by tefinous on 08/27/06 at 20:09:24 ok here is the heads up on my issue with the pilot screw it finally came in at the dealer and i got home ready to go....well this is a whole day task when i get done lol i have a few pics for you to see i hope these turned out ok ok below you can see i ended up not being ble to use the srew that i bought from the dealer what had happened was i had to beat the threads of the carb and the threads from my existing screw out of the carb.... http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k175/tefinous/IMG_0098.jpg the reason for this is cause the screw broke off inside the carb itself BIG DOH!!!!! http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k175/tefinous/IMG_0095.jpg so heres a better look at the screw it actually seems better this way cause i can now grab the end of the screw if by some chance the head gets stripped out again see it sticking out of the carb???? http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k175/tefinous/IMG_0094.jpg well that was my adventure for this week......the whole thing ended up being a big headache OHOH and on another note i also found out that my batterie was about to explode on my soon i decided to take a look at the cells to see if they need to be refreshed with some distilled water or maybe some electrolite solution and found the battery was all swollen up so i went to auto zone and bought a new one the part number is ETX15L this battery is an optima style battery it is filled with a gelled acid solution so in the case of a spill while out and riding the battery cant spill out on my legs if i lay down for any length of time it is sealed and maintaince free the only down side is it only came with a 3month warrenty and it cost me $77 :( well i hope this answers a few questions nik |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by JerryAssburger on 08/28/06 at 11:26:36 Yeah, tefinous, it did answer a few questions.... I'm scr%wed (pardon the pun) on this stinking idle mixture thing, too! My bike only runs well with the choke pulled one click out, even in the 100F heat that we have down here in the Nation's Catbox. Like you, I'll keep trying. THX for the info. |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by 911radioman on 08/28/06 at 12:04:15 Mine tried to seize up a while back, but I caught it early and hit it with the penetrating oil and it turns freely now. I'm just wondering if you're gonna have problems with that setup now with that chunk gone off the carb. |
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Title: Re: air fuel screw Post by tefinous on 08/30/06 at 18:47:37 new update i finally replaced my clutch and springs.......word of warning if im not mistaken in the clymers manuel the friction plates are like this 5 of them are thicker and one is more narrow well i have a problem with that description from clymer when i removed my clutch it was the other way around i had 1 friction plate that was thicker and teh rest were thinner than the otter most friction plate..........i would have had a picture with this post to better update you but i am tire i finished my clutch and took her for a spin and somehow the fuel selector got turned into the reserve place and well needless to say if you know daytona beach at all i went for a trip on the loop out by high bridge and i ran out of fuel somewhere in the middle of the swamp last night and had to push her about 10 miles back to the 7-11 to fuel up.......(i think it was the darn kids in the neighborhood messing with me) i will find a picture for you later to show you the inaccurat clymer pictures...... nik |
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