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Message started by steelwolf on 06/14/06 at 17:33:55

Title: Hello electricians
Post by steelwolf on 06/14/06 at 17:33:55
When I wire my new turn signals I want to wire them so they stay on with the tail light and then flash with the signals. Anybody know how I would accomplish this? I can turn wrenches, cut steel with fire and put it back together by electricity. But auxillary wiring is not an area I was blessed in. (spelling either) ;D

Oh yea I should mention up front they are dual filament, 2 wire lights.

Title: Re: Hello electricians
Post by orrin7 on 06/14/06 at 18:29:51
look at kuryaken web site they have a little module thing that can do it. the name is something like run-brake -turn or something like that

Title: Re: Hello electricians
Post by Paladin on 06/14/06 at 20:07:32
What you want to do is have the rear turn signals also be run/brake lights.

The Kuryakyn (http://www.kuryakyn.com/products.asp?bn=metric&ci=2967) adapter allows you do use your stock single filament bulbs for this, just replacing the lenses with red lenses to be legal.

As far as I can see they do not make an adapter for dual filament turn signals.

The wiring of the dual filament bulbs is easy, to a point.  You can wire the high wattage lead to the turn signal and the low wattage lead to the taillight and you will have turn signal and running lights.  But not brake.  You can tie the brake light in by using power diodes to isolate the lamp from the leads so that voltage will not feed back -- a basic OR circuit.  The bright light will flash with the brake or the turn signal.  But......  the brake will override the turn signal's off time and you lose the turn signal when braking.

To get what you want you need an EOR circuit -- an exclusive or.  The lamp will light with the turn signal or the brake, but not both -- so the lamp will flash off when the turn and brake leads are hot.  You need transistor switches -- a bit more complicated than just connecting up a diode.  Not something I can help you with.  Fortunately....

Trailers run dual filament turn/stop/run lights and connect to cars with separate stop/run and turn signals.   Draw-Tite (http://www.drawtite.com/dt18146.html) makes an adapter that could be used to do what you want.  While I haven't seen or done one, it should work just fine.  Follow the instructions that come with the module and to attach to your brake/run/turn leads, use the trailer output for your dual filament turn signals.

I may be a total loss with it comes to wrenching, but electricity and I are old friends.

Title: Re: Hello electricians
Post by steelwolf on 06/15/06 at 14:41:44

Paladin wrote:
What you want to do is have the rear turn signals also be run/brake lights.

The Kuryakyn (http://www.kuryakyn.com/products.asp?bn=metric&ci=2967) adapter allows you do use your stock single filament bulbs for this, just replacing the lenses with red lenses to be legal.

As far as I can see they do not make an adapter for dual filament turn signals.

The wiring of the dual filament bulbs is easy, to a point.  You can wire the high wattage lead to the turn signal and the low wattage lead to the taillight and you will have turn signal and running lights.  But not brake.  You can tie the brake light in by using power diodes to isolate the lamp from the leads so that voltage will not feed back -- a basic OR circuit.  The bright light will flash with the brake or the turn signal.  But......  the brake will override the turn signal's off time and you lose the turn signal when braking.

To get what you want you need an EOR circuit -- an exclusive or.  The lamp will light with the turn signal or the brake, but not both -- so the lamp will flash off when the turn and brake leads are hot.  You need transistor switches -- a bit more complicated than just connecting up a diode.  Not something I can help you with.  Fortunately....

Trailers run dual filament turn/stop/run lights and connect to cars with separate stop/run and turn signals.   Draw-Tite (http://www.drawtite.com/dt18146.html) makes an adapter that could be used to do what you want.  While I haven't seen or done one, it should work just fine.  Follow the instructions that come with the module and to attach to your brake/run/turn leads, use the trailer output for your dual filament turn signals.

I may be a total loss with it comes to wrenching, but electricity and I are old friends.


Ok now I'm really lost. :-/

I don't really care about the brake light comming on in the turn lamps just the tail light and turn signals. I have a seperate brake light anyway.

So from the stuff I don't understand I think I managed to decipher this....

Run High wattage lead to the turn signals and low wattage lead to the tail light. Then the new lamps will burn all the time with the tail light and brighten with the turn signals. Never comming on with the brake light. This is the senario I am looking for.  Is the translation correct?

Title: Re: Hello electricians
Post by Paladin on 06/15/06 at 17:16:58

steelwolf wrote:


Ok now I'm really lost. :-/
.....
Run High wattage lead to the turn signals and low wattage lead to the tail light. Then the new lamps will burn all the time with the tail light and brighten with the turn signals. Never comming on with the brake light. This is the senario I am looking for.  Is the translation correct?


1.  Not lost.
2.  Absolutely correct.
3.  To be legal running lights you need the light to be red.

And you said you weren't blessed.  HAH!  You took too much information, threw out the chaff and got down to the kernel you needed.

Title: Re: Hello electricians
Post by steelwolf on 06/15/06 at 17:29:20
Well ya done good Paladin. I got the lights hooked up and they work just as they should. And it only took finding the headlight fuse and replacing it twice to do it. ;D

Thanks for the help!

BTW, the lenses are red.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/96savage650/bike006.jpg

Title: Re: Hello electricians
Post by vroom1776 on 06/16/06 at 16:24:53
Check out the V* 1100 knowledge base.  There are explicit instuctions on how to do just this over there.

http://www.sloneservices.com/SilverBack/VStar1100-FAQ.htm

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