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Message started by Aviler on 06/11/06 at 20:53:26

Title: When is a Savage no longer a Savage?
Post by Aviler on 06/11/06 at 20:53:26

Or, how much modification can you do to a Savage before it is no longer considered a Savage? (Goes for any bike, I suppose, but since this is a Savage forum, we'll use the Savage as a reference :).) What is it that defines a bike as a certain model?

Title: Re: When is a Savage no longer a Savage?
Post by sluggo on 06/11/06 at 21:24:31

Aviler wrote:

the sinle cylynder engine is the defining point.

Title: Re: When is a Savage no longer a Savage?
Post by Aviler on 06/12/06 at 07:00:23

So, in other words, you could build a custom frame, with all sorts of aftermarket or non-Savage parts, and put a Savage engine on it and it would be a Savage?

Title: Re: When is a Savage no longer a Savage?
Post by mornhm on 06/12/06 at 07:05:36

I think that it would have to have a Savage engine and a Savage VIN (for the USA that's: vehicle identification number) to be called a Savage. However with that said, the engine is the overriding feature. I suppose even a shaft or chain drive would be a (very) custom Savage with the correct engine.

Edit: I've noticed that even when manufacturers come out with a new model based on a previous models engine, the new model is often referred to as being based on a previous model.

Title: Re: When is a Savage no longer a Savage?
Post by thumperclone on 06/12/06 at 07:16:23

sluggo wrote:

the sinle cylynder engine is the defining point.

jmo ::)
my ct 70 clone is a thumper,but not a savage
my suzuki s 40 is a thumper,but not a savage
enfield makes a thumper,
the savage single is unique to other thumpers

Title: Re: When is a Savage no longer a Savage?
Post by PerrydaSavage on 06/12/06 at 08:30:36

Suzuki S40 = Suzuki Savage = Suzuki LS650 for all intents and porposes! ;)

As said the 652cc (or the 400cc available in certain global markets) single cylinder powerplant is the defining characteristic.

Title: Re: When is a Savage no longer a Savage?
Post by vroom1776 on 06/12/06 at 09:16:05

I agree w/ perry, but...

my savage does not feel like my old savage at all... and I want a new one. powder blue.

Title: Re: When is a Savage no longer a Savage?
Post by steelwolf on 06/12/06 at 15:12:10

vroom1776 wrote:

I agree w/ perry, but...

my savage does not feel like my old savage at all... and I want a new one. powder blue.

Vroom, I can't see where your savage would feel like anyones savage. I really love the way your bike looks but I will most definetly not be doing your seat mod on mine. ;D

Title: Re: When is a Savage no longer a Savage?
Post by SeattleSavage on 06/13/06 at 11:17:47

If you built a custom frame and put the old thumper in it. It would be a "custom" with a savage engine. But as long as you have a savage frame and motor, you may have a custom savage but you still have a savage. 8) My two pents.

Kev

Title: Re: When is a Savage no longer a Savage?
Post by klx650sm2002 on 06/14/06 at 02:36:20

If you put your Savage engine in a custom frame I would still call it a savage. To me the engine defines the bike.

Clive W :D

Title: Re: When is a Savage no longer a Savage?
Post by Keith_B on 06/14/06 at 06:22:21

Yep

the engine sould be what makes it a savage, thats why I think it's funnie when people put an S&S motor in an aftermarket frame and say THEY HAVE A HARLEY :o

Title: Re: When is a Savage no longer a Savage?
Post by vroom1776 on 06/14/06 at 08:12:17

Keith_B wrote:

Yep

the engine sould be what makes it a savage, thats why I think it's funnie when people put an S&S motor in an aftermarket frame and say THEY HAVE A HARLEY :o

yeah that's pretty silly. My pal chuck has owned a '47 pan since 1970. About three years ago the original engine finally quit. Just too much wrong with it... He still has the original engine in his living room, but he replaced the engine w/ an S&S replica. Looks original except for the S&S engraving. Even has the same oil leaks and various problems. Is it still a 47 pan? Close enough. :D

Title: Re: When is a Savage no longer a Savage
Post by marty62253 on 06/14/06 at 13:29:29

A Savage is no longer a Savage if it's crushed into scrap;
having a Savage (not scrap) is a good thing.
A Savage with creature comfort modifications is a more comfortable Savage;
having a more comfortable Savage is a good thing.
A Savage with performance enhancing modifications is a more savage Savage;
having a more savage Savage is a good thing.
A Savage on a custom frame and totaly done up is a custom Savage;
having a custom Savage is a good thing.
If it was born a savage - it is a savage.

As for someone putting an S&S engine on a custom frame and calling it a Harley....I don't get it....anything you build around a factory or custom S&S engine deserves more respect.

Title: Re: When is a Savage no longer a Savage
Post by Banger on 06/15/06 at 05:04:59

marty62253 wrote:

As for someone putting an S&S engine on a custom frame and calling it a Harley....I don't get it....anything you build around a factory or custom S&S engine deserves more respect.

:D Laughed pretty hard at that one. Yes I did.

Regards,
Banger
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