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Title: Steering Stem & New Drag Bars Post by Savage_Rob on 05/19/06 at 13:53:08 Okay guys, I picked up a cheap set of flat bars from an 87 Savage not long ago and was thinking about swapping out my buckhorns for the flat to see what I thought. I started thinking about risers and went and reviewed the things that have changed post to see if it might note a difference (even though that's not actually a year model difference. Anyway, I found nothing there and started looking at the fiche on RonAyers and it appears the models with the flat bars have risers/extensions added (though they call them "arms" instead of risers) while the buckhorn models just have the clamps without risers. While this seems logical, I wanted to confirm it is actually the case. Does anyone have an 87 with stock flat bars who can confirm/deny this? RonAyers wants $43.xx for each one of the two needed and I'm thinking that's not worthwhile to me. |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by kstewy on 05/19/06 at 14:10:00 i've got an 87 with with the stock flat bars. i'll take some measurements for you and post them probbally tomorrow. my kid has a cubscout campout tonight and i have to be there right after work. let me know exactly what measurements you need (from top of tripple trees etc.) and i'll get them back to you. |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by kstewy on 05/20/06 at 07:59:40 from the top of the triple trees to the center of the bars is 4 1/2 in.. triple trees, riser, and then clamp. hope this helps you, it is a different feel to the ride not as laid back so on longer rides 100 mile or more i get a stiff back. i think it has a little more control feel especialy on some nice curvey roads. |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by lancer on 05/21/06 at 04:50:59 You can get a very nice set of risers from Jireh Cycles ( www.jirehcycles.com ) for just $39.99...part #34-119, page 4-11 in their catalog. By the way, their catalogs are free. http://www.parts123.com/parts123/yb.dll?parta~showpic~Z5Z5Z50000135a~Z5Z5Z5AABPC~Z5Z5Z5~Z5Z5Z5~Z5Z5Z5 If you get these risers, or any riser for that matter, just go to the hardware store and get a set of bolts and washers of appropriate size and bolt them up. Very easy to do. |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by Savage_Rob on 05/22/06 at 20:41:34 Thanks kstewy. Just the fact that it has risers confirms what I thought. I appreciate your time. Thanks Michael, I'll take a peek at my latest Jireh catalog. |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by Savage_Rob on 06/04/06 at 18:17:19 Well Michael, I ordered that exact set. They are very nice indeed. The bolts required are 1/2 inch diameter 2.75 inch long (if you want to retain the stock bushings, which I did) and the solid chrome bolts were $3.49 each at Ace Hardware (Home Depot and Lowes didn't have any stainless or chrome in that size) - but they are excellent quality. Below are a few observations when adding these risers and replacing the buckhorn bars with flat bars from a 1987 Savage... 1) You need to drill out the metal housings on the stock rubber bushings to accommodate the larger bolts. 2) The flat bars from the '87 don't have holes in them for the nubs on the housings for the electrical switches. You have to drill those. 3) The master cylinder on my '98 has the line connection on the left side whereas the '87 has it on the front (this has been discussed before). I would point out that the risers interfere with it to the point that I may require aftermarket mirrors. It barely manages to fit enough for the levers to be comfortable. 4) Last but not least, if you have Kuryakyn grips installed with the glue provided in the kit, good $%!*@& luck getting your left grip off the old bars undamaged. I'm lucky mine is usable at all. I will say that it took me a long time and a lot of elbow grease to remove that grip. The metal frame of the grip is slightly wrong now, but only slightly. There are a couple of marks from vice-grips too. It's an ugly chore and I even used a strap wrench to help twist that $#^##@% thing. Final result, well, here's a pic. http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2006%5C06%5C04%5Cbikepics-602967-full.jpg |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by steelwolf on 06/04/06 at 21:30:02 Very nice rob. I just got a set of flat bars ( from a 88 ) myself. Mine came with the risers but no clamps. Anyone know if the stock clamps on my 96 will work with the old style risers? Rob the nubs you mentioned I assume are to hold the switch housings from turning on the bars. How did you know where to drill the holes for them? One more thing. The brake line, anyway of turning it so it dosen't get in the way. And if not, how far onto the bars can you actually get the throttle grip? |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by goodandevil on 06/05/06 at 00:05:33 I will trade my stock s40 high risers for a savages no rise risers. |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by Kropatchek on 06/05/06 at 03:04:49 [quote author=steelwolf link=board=RubberSideDown;num=1148071988;start=0#6 date=06/04/06 at 21:30:02]Very nice rob. Anyone know if the stock clamps on my 96 will work with the old style risers? Rob the nubs you mentioned I assume are to hold the switch housings from turning on the bars. How did you know where to drill the holes for them? quote] Yes, the clamps will fit. File off the nubs from the housing, you dont need them. Do NOT drill in the handle bar. Mine '93 has neither nubs nor holes and stay in place. Greetz Kropatchek 8) |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by steelwolf on 06/05/06 at 03:51:56 Thanks, Kropatchek. |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by Savage_Rob on 06/05/06 at 05:36:47 I considered filing the nubs off but went ahead and drilled. It'll be easy enough to fill the holes with JB Weld and file off the nubs if I decide to. So far as the brake line goes, anytime you rotate the master cylinder position, it affects the postion of the brake lever and mirror. However, I don't know if it would be a problem with the stock risers anyway.. I don't think they pull back like the set I used. Overall, it's made me decide I like the feel of these but want a wider set. I'll like the feel of that better and the master cylinder will be moved away from the riser. I will probably need a new left grip when I do it though. |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by steelwolf on 06/05/06 at 20:35:35 Goodandevil, i sent you a pm. |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by Kropatchek on 06/06/06 at 07:59:55 As you can see I fitted the '86-'87 brake http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9567/workip58vl.jpg Together with the Indrude risers and "Superbike"steeringbar I have a near perfect riding position. Like to have the bar a little bit closer to me. Can't get hold of S40 risers so far. Greetz Kropatchek 8) |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by lancer on 06/06/06 at 09:26:34 Savage_Rob wrote:
l really like these rises a lot. I have had them about 2 years and have yet to find another set I like more. When mounted on the drag bar that I have everything is close to be sure, but there is room for everything. I have also been impressed with the quality of the risers, very good chrome and very sturdy. |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by Lil Em on 06/06/06 at 10:36:00 Hey Savage Rob. Can you post a closer picture of the risers? I'm thinking I want to get them myself for my 97'. I'm only 5'0" nothing and want to make sure when installing my HD dragbars that the risers are suitable for me to reach. Thanks. Emily |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by Savage_Rob on 06/06/06 at 11:25:03 Lil Em wrote:
I probably won't be able to get to it today but I can get one or two posted in the next couple of days. Here are two cropped versions of shots I had already. http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2006/06/06/bikepics-604389-full.jpg http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2006/06/06/bikepics-604393-full.jpg Here are a few more I just took in the garage. Please ignore the fingerprints and such. She hasn't been cleaned recently. You can see how the riser interferes with the free rotation of the MA because it blocks the brake line. From the front: http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2006%5C06%5C08%5Cbikepics-606179-full.jpg From the back: http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2006%5C06%5C08%5Cbikepics-606180-full.jpg From the side while on the sidestand: http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2006%5C06%5C08%5Cbikepics-606181-full.jpg |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by Savage_Rob on 06/06/06 at 11:29:06 After two days of riding it this way I am convinced I need wider bars. They'll be more comfortable for me as well as allowing space for the brake line, etc. I'm so convinced, I just ordered these (http://store.wpsracing.com/wiandlowhafo2.html). I hope my current cabling still fits but I'll burn that bridge when I get to it. |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by Lil Em on 06/06/06 at 11:41:13 Savage_Rob wrote:
Not a problem. Thanks. Emily :) |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by steelwolf on 06/06/06 at 17:00:30 I'll be interested to see how the wider bars fit with the cables. So don't be bashfull with the pics when you get them. |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by Lil Em on 06/06/06 at 17:22:37 Hey Savage_Rob. How wide are the 87' flat bars that you have on your bike right now? I sure hope the HD drag bar I got will work for me. |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by klx650sm2002 on 06/07/06 at 02:48:41 Hey Kropatchek Nice bars man, what width are they ? KLX's are 32.5" Clive W :D |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by Savage_Rob on 06/07/06 at 07:11:13 steelwolf wrote:
Will do - once I get 'em and install 'em. |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by Savage_Rob on 06/07/06 at 07:12:37 Lil Em wrote:
I did a quick measurement between where I think the bars end (inside the grips) and it's roughly 26 inches or so. I'm going for 36 inches on the new set. From what I've seen, I think that's how they are measured. |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by Kropatchek on 06/08/06 at 13:08:53 klx650sm2002 wrote:
Mine are 76 cm. Greetz Kropatchek 8) |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by Savage_Rob on 06/08/06 at 14:20:01 Kropatchek wrote:
And that's roughly 30 inches. |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by Savage_Rob on 07/02/06 at 15:21:38 Okay, I've removed the '87 bars and installed the 36" bars I bought. They don't have the weights inside them like the stock Savage bars so I stopped at Wal-Mart and bought 6000 BBs for less than $7. It took between 2/3 and 3/4 of those, so something more than 4000 BBs to fill the bars completely and I used metal epoxy in both ends to seal them in place. The width is excellent and I know already I'm gonna like these bars a lot. Still using the risers from Jireh. No holes for the nubs on the electrical housings but Kropatchek is absolutely correct; they work perfectly with the nubs filed off. Just file 'em off and don't drill the bars. Some images below. http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2006/07/02/bikepics-624742-full.jpg (http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2006/07/02/bikepics-624742-full.jpg) http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2006/07/02/bikepics-624743-full.jpg (http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2006/07/02/bikepics-624743-full.jpg) http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2006/07/02/bikepics-624744-full.jpg (http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2006/07/02/bikepics-624744-full.jpg) |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by 911radioman on 07/04/06 at 02:22:13 Looks good, Rob! How are you liking that Flyscreen? |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by luken on 07/04/06 at 07:37:32 VERY nice setup. Bars look great. What rear tire do you have on there? |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem Question Post by Savage_Rob on 07/04/06 at 09:22:55 I'm not sure how effective the flyscreen really is yet. At this point, I'm inclined to think it has a minimal effect. Both tires are Dunlop 491 Elite II. |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem & New Drag Bars Post by Savage_Rob on 07/10/06 at 09:47:25 Okay, I've gotten a week in and a bit longer (90 miles) ride yesterday and I love these bars. The width is excellent (much more comfortable to me than the shorter Savage versions ). There's plenty of room for the various housings and their associated cables, lines, etc. They also vibrate less than stock. I can't say I feel the difference all that much because I have the Kuryakyn ISO grips and gel pads in my gloves but my stock mirrors are clearer than ever before. Another nice thing is that the mirrors are further out to the sides than before and I have a better view (especially around a somewhat wide body like mine. |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem & New Drag Bars Post by ratdog472 on 07/10/06 at 17:51:40 I wonder how the risers with the vibration dampening disks would help that remaining vibration... |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem & New Drag Bars Post by Savage_Rob on 07/10/06 at 18:19:09 I did retain the rubber dampeners from the stock clamps and used them to attach the new risers. There is really very little vibration left. |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem & New Drag Bars Post by ratdog472 on 07/10/06 at 19:12:21 I was thinking something like this: http://www.debrixcycles.com/images/harley/x1/aw2k/LotImg2821.jpg |
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Title: Re: Steering Stem & New Drag Bars Post by Savage_Rob on 07/11/06 at 06:24:14 Those could be pretty nice. Mine use the stock vibration dampeners at the bottom of the risers on both sides of the triple-tree's plate. You can basically look at your stock clamps because those are what I used. I did have to enlarge the holes in the metal housings of the dampeners to accommodate the 1/2" riser bolts. |
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