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Title: Threebond 1216 = Permatex 599? Post by MacAttack on 05/11/06 at 13:15:08 My "dealer" doesn't stock Threebond 1216 for the rubber plug in the cylinder head. Other forums directed me to Permatex 599, which - gee, it's grey, like Threebond 1216 - and appears to be sort of comparable. Anyway, I'll try it out and report back. It's a lot cheaper than $20 for some Threebond that I'll use at 600-mile service and then maybe never again. |
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Title: Re: Threebond 1216 = Permatex 599? Post by slavy on 05/11/06 at 21:27:31 I use Ultra Grey Permatex in all aplications. No problem so far. |
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Title: Re: Threebond 1216 = Permatex 599? Post by torque on 05/12/06 at 07:52:10 permatex is the shiznit,never heard of threebond |
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Title: Re: Threebond 1216 = Permatex 599? Post by Reelthing on 05/12/06 at 08:46:26 that's what the shop manual calls for but I've been using the permatex hightemp copper stuff - works mighty fine - and where it calls for a thread lock I'll use the blue loctite if it looks like it needs it - man I stay away from the red loctite except to keep the crank seals in a high compression 2-stroke |
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Title: Re: Threebond 1216 = Permatex 599? Post by MacAttack on 05/12/06 at 09:14:02 Threebond makes great stuff. I use the low-strength anaerobic threadlocker all the time on my dirt bike - I think it's softer than Loctite 242 (the blue, "medium" stuff). I have the Permatex Ultra Gray now so I'll give it a shot. I do like that copper stuff - I have used it to seal exhaust pipe leaks! |
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Title: Re: Threebond 1216 = Permatex 599? Post by slavy on 05/12/06 at 15:41:48 The reason Suzuki dealer did not have Treebond 1216 is because You are supposed to use Suzuki bond 1216 /part # 99104-31160/. The dealer usually doesn't stock this item , so You have to wait and I remember , it was pretty costly. |
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Title: Re: Threebond 1216 = Permatex 599? Post by MacAttack on 05/26/06 at 08:43:05 Thanks! I went with the Permatex - so far, so good. |
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Title: Re: Threebond 1216 = Permatex 599? Post by rokrover on 05/26/06 at 14:02:04 Here's the link to Three Bond's product description: http://www.threebond.co.jp/en/product/series/sealants/1200list.html Suzuki dealer here in SoCal didn't stock it. Their mechanics use Yamabond #4 instead. The factory assembly also didn't use the grey 1216 sealant on my bike but some black goop so you don't HAVE to use the Suzuki-labelled 1216 as the manual orders. I got some anyway (two days from LA warehouse) and it worked fine. It's a nice pliable putty that cleans off easily at rebuild time. However, around $20 a tube AND once the tube seal is broken the shelf life is limited - kinda wasteful if you're not on an assembly line! I may be wrong but I don't think Permatex and Three Bond have any connection. |
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Title: Re: Threebond 1216 = Permatex 599? Post by Digger on 01/02/07 at 20:48:22 FWIW... When I did the 600 mile service on my bike (see signature), the dealer sold me a tube of Threebond 1104 for the rubber plug. It worked fine, but when I took the plug out for service at 5700 miles, I found that this sealant was extremely difficult to remove from the plug and the valve cover. I didn't do a good enough job of cleaning it off and experienced a rather extravagant oil leak when I started the engine after slapping everything back together. I had to put a new plug in. I used Permatex Ultra-Copper this time: http://www.permatex.com/products/automotive/automotive_gasketing/gasket_makers/auto_Permatex_Ultra_Copper_Maximum_Temperature_RTV_Silicone_Gasket_Maker.htm End of problem. |
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Title: Re: Threebond 1216 = Permatex 599? Post by justin_o_guy on 01/03/07 at 00:57:39 OOOkay, since all I am doing is changing the oil & setting the valves I suppose I am overlooking something in the servicing of the bike. What's this with a plug? |
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Title: Re: Threebond 1216 = Permatex 599? Post by Digger on 01/23/07 at 20:10:46 justin_o_guy wrote:
You need to remove the plug if you perform the head bolt torque procedure as per the FSM (supposed to be done every 3500-4000 miles). IHTH! |
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Title: Re: Threebond 1216 = Permatex 599? Post by Kropatchek on 01/24/07 at 01:00:47 Digger wrote:
If you don't mind me asking, is'nt that stuff supposed to be sticky? Agree, cleaning is't my prefered job but sometimes the most important. Greetz Kropatchek ;D |
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Title: Re: Threebond 1216 = Permatex 599? Post by sparkett on 01/24/07 at 14:37:19 I couldnt find the 1216 either, and the dealer didnt have any in stock of their stuff( how do they fix bikes?). so i found an old motorhead shop, he sold me three bond 1104. not one leak where i used it! just one gasket left to replace and she wont leak anymore ;D with 3 bikes on the porch something will need some :D ps. the fine print says to store it cap facing down to prevent it from drying out, so its in a cup on the work bench shelf. |
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Title: Re: Threebond 1216 = Permatex 599? Post by Digger on 01/27/07 at 20:09:00 Kropatchek wrote:
Krop, It goes on kind of runny, but cures to be flexible and sticks very tenaciously to whatever it is on. |
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Title: Re: Threebond 1216 = Permatex 599? Post by kamelryttarn on 02/25/20 at 05:10:58 Has anyone tried using Loctite 5926 Blue Silicone Sealant ? Do you reckon it can replace the Three Bond 1216 called for in the service manual? |
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Title: Re: Threebond 1216 = Permatex 599? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/25/20 at 08:52:27 A tube of silicone gasket making stuff Can turn to a hard lump. The Threebond type gasket goo stays semiliquid. A.F.A.I.K. all major bike manufacturers recommend and sell a semiliquid. I had a tube of Threebond for years. Used every bit of it. Never got hard. |
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Title: Re: Threebond 1216 = Permatex 599? Post by djhicks on 02/26/23 at 16:24:53 This has probably been answered elsewhere on this site, but according to a Permatex OEM Chart I found, Permatex Ultra Grey can be used in place of Threebond/Suzukibond 1207B and 1216. |
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Title: Re: Threebond 1216 = Permatex 599? Post by Dave on 02/27/23 at 02:34:28 2B2527262C243C4F0 wrote:
"can be used" is not necessarily an equal. While the Ultra Grey can be used when you need an immediate repair and can't get Suzukibond......I use the Suzukibond when I am doing a head cover. I have 3 tubes of various Permatex RTV in my toolbox....they are various types. After you open the tube and put the cap back on.....the remaining RTV begins to harden in the tube from the cap end. If you don't open the tube and squeeze some out on a regular basis...the RTV at the cap end hardens. When I need more RTV I have to stick a screwdriver through the tube in an area where the RTV is still soft in order to get any out of the tube. Also the Permatex and similar brands set up really quickly. The Suzukibond tube I have is about 10 years old, and I used it about 6 months ago when doing a head cover replacement - and it was still completely usable - however I did order a new tube as the RTV was getting a bit sluggish to apply. The Suzukibond is a little stiffer than the Permatex when it comes out of the tube....and it sets up slower and allows you more time to get it spread out on the gasket surface. For working on the head cover on the Suzuki - I much prefer the official Suzukibond......and the tube lasts for years longer than the tubes of Permatex or similar RTV products you buy from the big box, hardware or auto parts stores. |
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Title: Re: Threebond 1216 = Permatex 599? Post by djhicks on 02/27/23 at 05:48:07 063D3027363A21273C343926550 wrote:
Thanks, Dave. These are definite advantages. I think I will try to get some of the Suzukibond. |
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Title: Re: Threebond 1216 = Permatex 599? Post by Gary_in_NJ on 02/27/23 at 05:51:18 I have rebuilt engines using the ThreeBond and I have never had a problem. I believe it is the equal of the sealants labeled by Suzuki, Honda and Yamaha. |
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