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Title: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by Savage_Rob on 04/15/06 at 22:55:44 It started off easy enough and it probably went completely as planned... except... I was using a MityVac to pull the brake fluid through the line, which actually works very well. I drained all the old fluid first and I'm thinking it was probably what came with the bike in '98. I've had it about 20 months and probably should've changed the fluid already but had been putting it off until I replaced the line. That stuff was the color of maple syrup instead of more like white Karo like it should be. Anyway, bleeding went well. Replacing the line was a cinch. Everything was included: new line, bolts and spacers for banjo fittings, etc. The problem was that the bleed nipple seems to allow some air to seep past its threads when it's not tightened fully and using the MityVac created enough suction that it appeared I had a lot of air in my line and I was having a heck of a time figuring out how. I kept checking the banjo fittings and, by the time I determined that all was okay and I was just seeing air pulled at the nipple, I had emptied a full bottle of Dot 4. Oh well, it works and works very well. |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by 911radioman on 04/15/06 at 23:06:46 I just did the fluid thing on mine as well. I thought mine looked more along the lines of iced tea, but that and maple syrup are probably about the same color. ;D I did mine the old fashioned way. Put my 14 year old daughter on the seat, and I pulled up a milk crate and had her pump it up and hold it while I bled the old fluid off. Kept topping off the master cylinder in the process to ensure no air got in. Took about half an hour, but it went well and I now have nice, clear brake fluid and much firmer brakes. Where did you get your new brake line at and how much does something like that run? |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by SeeAPierce on 04/16/06 at 08:01:35 I use the MityVac to bleed out my cars...same thing happens everytime...air passes through the threads right back in to the Vac appearing as though you've still got air in the lines. I just have to keep in mind that there is actually very little fluid that is retained in the lines (low volume high pressure). Once I've pulled more than 2 or 3 times this amount, I figure it's fine. If you've got a hard pedal, you're good to go. I like the MityVac because I'm almost always alone in my garage - just the way I like it! |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by vroom1776 on 04/17/06 at 08:41:23 I find that the migthy vac is great for removing brake fluid, but sucks for actual bleeding. I bleed my brakes the brake lever pump way... |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by Savage_Rob on 04/17/06 at 11:02:27 911radioman wrote:
I got it from HEL (http://www.helusa.com/) and was $49 with shipping included... but I'd forgotten Lancer also sells them. Check with him to see what deals he can offer. |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by Digger on 12/28/06 at 20:18:15 Savage_Rob wrote:
For the record.... The MityVac tool is a great way to bleed brake lines. You'll have better luck using it if you first remove the bleed nipple and wrap the threads in teflon tape. This will keep air from being sucked in through the threads. IHTH someone. |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by georgekathe on 12/28/06 at 21:40:21 I got my line from HEL too. did not know Lancer sold them @ time but his price is comparable to HEL's (but his might not - understandably - include free shipping). I'd aLso check to see if he supples new bolts & washers (I understand it is really advisable to change the latter). I bled my fluid (also looked very old) using the old fluid in a jam jar trick with friend operating the lever - seemed to go smoothly & easily/quickly enough. |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by Steve530 on 12/28/06 at 23:20:24 Digger is correct. Wrap some teflon tape around the threads of the bleeder screw. That'll stop the air from entering around the bleed screw. I started using a Motive power bleeder for my cars a couple of years ago. It forces brake fluid into the master cylinder under pressure. Works great, but there is no adapter for a motorcycle. Probably overkill for a motorcycle, anyway. |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by klx650sm2002 on 12/29/06 at 00:23:41 KLX has an extra bleed nipple on the banjo bolt where it exits the master cylinder. Clive W :D |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by Greg_650 on 12/29/06 at 05:34:05 klx650sm2002 wrote:
Explain please. |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by klx650sm2002 on 12/29/06 at 05:53:52 Sorry but photos may take a while(I use 35mm and scanner) I bought it from BSR AEROTEK (www.bsr-aerotek.com)it is a banjo bolt with a tapped hole in the hex end for a bleed nipple.Look for Single(or Double) Bolt with Bleed Nipple. http://www.bsr-aerotek.com/store/images/products/bn992-31.gif Clive W :D |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by Greg_650 on 12/29/06 at 08:33:51 I know that when I last disassembled my front brake (I painted the caliper), it was very difficult to refill the brake line with just the brake lever. I had to manually fill it. Question: Has anyone ever tried to pump or inject brake fluid through the bleeder on the caliper and UP to the master cylinder? |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by justin_o_guy on 12/29/06 at 11:18:20 Rob, did the new line make the braking effort noticably less? More controllable ? Tell me all the good stuff that makes me need to do this, please.. |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by georgekathe on 12/29/06 at 14:52:39 Justin_o_guy - from George, not Rob. as I changed my brake pads to EBC same time as I changed the line/fluid my brakes the brakes were better but can not tell which mod/service did it or as I suspect both (+ new fluid) contributed. know on my other bike (seriously - it is up for sale - anyone want to buy an excellent condition, lots of useful accesories. low mileage 1996 BMW R1100RT?) putting on a steel brake line immediately made great brakes even better & made feel of brake lever less spongy, which is what I understand is one of bennies of steel line (& I think they never wear out (that is, become porous) like "rubber" ones. don't know age of your bike, but if it is an oldish one I'd change fluid for sure & for (only) $50 go for steel line @ same time. still, that's just what I'd do (& hey, did!) |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by Savage_Rob on 12/29/06 at 18:34:45 In general, the normal rubber line will expand a bit when pressurized. The braided line resists this and transmits more power to the brakes, instead of the line. I can feel the difference. It also looks better. |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by TVR on 12/29/06 at 19:53:57 Rob, I need to get you to hang out in my barn once in a while. You do some neat stuff! |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by georgekathe on 12/30/06 at 15:00:15 agree with Rob about regular lines expanding so not as desirable as steel, but like I said think after a while they become porous & although no visible sign of leaking air in or fluid out still lose some braking power over new lines (& always more than stell line). like I said - agree with Rob but think (though might be old wive's tail) my hypothesis on "porousness" over time is part of story too - think why they say replace them after a period (think in Clytmer's Savage manual it somewhere said every 4 years?) |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by justin_o_guy on 12/30/06 at 17:25:36 Even steel lines need replaced or just the stock rubber ones? |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by Savage_Rob on 12/30/06 at 18:26:48 TVR wrote:
I just take in what other folks here have done and try a few of them out. |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by Savage_Rob on 12/30/06 at 18:28:11 justin_o_guy wrote:
My HEL braided stainless line says it's lifetime. |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by Reelthing on 12/30/06 at 21:45:20 No doubt I could tell a difference (once I got all the air out of it). However the line was 10yrs old that was replaced, could you notice a difference vs. a new rubber line I do not know, or perhaps once done you just never worry with it again. |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by justin_o_guy on 12/30/06 at 21:51:20 I will plan on it after I get the performance mods handled.. |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by Reelthing on 12/30/06 at 21:54:09 pssst..... look into the drilled rotor |
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Title: Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line Post by justin_o_guy on 12/30/06 at 22:08:43 eaukaaayyyy, I will. Thanxalott, |
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