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Message started by USCG Cremeans on 03/20/06 at 07:17:37

Title: Electrical Problem
Post by USCG Cremeans on 03/20/06 at 07:17:37

yesterday i put the engine back in, and hooked all the wires up etc. somewhere along the line i'm not sure what happened, but with all the wires hooked in, im having issues. when i put the key in, the right fron turn signal stays lit and the other three won't light up when i move the switch. also the horn doesn't work, but the high beam/ low beam switch works and the headlight is fine too. the license plate light and brake light also work fine.

anyone have a problem like this? any advice?

Title: Re: Electrical Problem
Post by vroom1776 on 03/20/06 at 08:49:56

Sounds like a short to me. Do you knwo how to use a voltmeter (or in this case, an ohm-meter)? I beleive there are wiring diagrams in the tech sect. I would look for small resistances where there should be large ones...

Title: Re: Electrical Problem
Post by mornhm on 03/20/06 at 09:40:24

USCG Cremeans wrote:

any advice?

When trying to troubleshoot electrical circuits, after a visual/physical inspection, divide and conquer. What I mean by this is after looking to see if all the wires are connected (correctly?) pull on the wires to make sure none are loose, then take 1/2 of the circuit branches away by either removing a fuse, disconnecting a wire or whatever you need to do. Does the problem go away (get worse)? If it goes away, the problem is in the other 1/2 of the wiring. If it doesn't go away, disconnect 1/2 again and check. This is the quickest way to troubleshoot problems if fuses aren't blowing or smoke isn't coming out of the circuit ;)

Title: Re: Electrical Problem
Post by USCG Cremeans on 03/20/06 at 13:08:42

the part that b ugs me the most is that it was working fine when i took it apart, except for the horn. ???

Title: Re: Electrical Problem
Post by Kropatchek on 03/20/06 at 13:58:50

USCG Cremeans wrote:

the part that b ugs me the most is that it was working fine when i took it apart, except for the horn. ???

Disconnect the horn first. Then follow the suggestions above.

Greetz
Kropatchek ;D

Title: Re: Electrical Problem
Post by Trippah on 03/22/06 at 12:42:53

status? Everyone loves an electrical problem/puzzle- especially if it's on someone else's ride :D If your right front signal is actually blinking and the other three aren,'t, would that suggest maybee the switch or nearest connection to it. If one blinks, then its not juice, and it,s not the relay I wouldn't think. Best of luck.

Title: Re: Electrical Problem
Post by USCG Cremeans on 03/23/06 at 05:09:16

doesn't blink, just stays on. Well i don't have work this morning so im going to get it all squared away if i can, ill keep it updated ;)

Title: Re: Electrical Problem
Post by USCG Cremeans on 03/23/06 at 05:54:27

ok well i got all of them except the front left to turn on. when i flick the switch for right blinker both front and back turn on but do not blink. when i flick the switch for the left blinker the back turns on and the front is dead. I checked the front left bulb and on of the two filaments is broken. but im not sure why the other filament didnt light up when the bike was on "running lights" the right side did with no problem.

Going to the store right now to replace this bulb and see if that cures anything.

another update within an hour.

Title: Re: Electrical Problem
Post by USCG Cremeans on 03/23/06 at 08:53:07

ok well i have both right side blinkers working. when i hit the switch they both blink etc. when i put the switch back to normal, the right front is still lit. When i turn on the left blinkers, the front bulb is dead because i couldn't get a bulb, but the back lights up, but doesn't blink.

Horn still isn't working as well.

Does it make a big difference if i have everything in the circuit hooked in : speedo, headlight, etc. ive tried with both and the lights seem to do the same thing when those are hooked up and not hooked up so im leaving them unnatatched since they are in the way right now.

Title: Re: Electrical Problem
Post by SeattleSavage on 03/23/06 at 16:44:03

I rewired my bike from the seat back and from the seat up I just did repairs. My horn and headlight were not working and both problems were caused by one wire right at the large connector about mid way under the tank. the wire just had a bad connect. The light staying on is most likely a short between two wires. Check also where the wires come out under the front seat mount the can get squished there. Did you rewire the blinkers or just unplug them. If you rewired and didn't put them back exactly the same a bulb staying lit could definitely be a symptom.

Kevin

Title: Re: Electrical Problem
Post by USCG Cremeans on 03/23/06 at 18:09:17

just unplugged and checked a few connections. also charging the battery got the right side to actually blink on and off since im guesing the relay or whatever it is wasn't getting enough power. I'm assuming there is a short somewhere causing the front blinkers to still not work appropriatly. I'm going to tackle it more tommorrow morning.

Thanks for all the help ;)

Title: Re: Electrical Problem
Post by Kropatchek on 03/24/06 at 01:35:31

USCG Cremeans wrote:

To resume:
RH side of the blinkers work - The blinker relay and both front and rear bulbs are fine.
( If the tank dash is not connected the blinking rate will be a bit slower because of the lesser load)

For the LH side:
Check if the wires of the driving lights and the blinker wires have not been switched.

When you have a short, meaning + and - are touching each other you will blow a fuse......

Greetz
Kropatchek ;D

Title: Re: Electrical Problem
Post by USCG Cremeans on 03/24/06 at 06:26:00

charging the battery and changing the front right bulb and checking connections have solved this mystery. I beleive some combination of the three has caused this most of it due to the almost dead battery and the burnt out bulb.

this problem was one part broken bulb, two parts stupidity. ;D

but the horn still doesn't work. It didnt when i got the bike, but i have replaced the old one with another i bought on ebay that was claimed to have worked when taken off the other bike. Can i test it somehow?

Title: Re: Electrical Problem
Post by USCG Cremeans on 03/24/06 at 06:26:59

Oh yeah, my other question about the electrical jumbo involves a 2004 left hand switch i bought. My bike is an 87 so the connection under the tank for the two switches is a tad bit different, how hard will it be to make the newer one work? anyone do this before?

Title: Re: Electrical Problem
Post by SeattleSavage on 03/24/06 at 15:06:32

to test the horn you just run twelve volts directely to it from the/a battery.

Title: Re: Electrical Problem
Post by Kropatchek on 03/24/06 at 15:41:42

USCG Cremeans wrote:

Now you got me, I dont know!

Check the wiring diagram. The pins in the connector can be removed with a sharp pointed pin. Maybe you have to replace/change some pins.

Anyway, let us know
Greetz
Kropatchek ;D ;D

Title: Re: Electrical Problem
Post by USCG Cremeans on 03/24/06 at 17:17:47

i'm determined, ill make it work. what is the yellow button on the back side of the newer switch?

Title: Re: Electrical Problem
Post by necropsy on 03/24/06 at 19:29:31

USCG Cremeans wrote:

i'm determined, ill make it work. what is the yellow button on the back side of the newer switch?

I believe your talking about the passing light.
rather useless little thing. Flicking highbeams does the same thing. Does anyone actually use this? I'd get more use from a tripometer

Title: Re: Electrical Problem
Post by USCG Cremeans on 03/26/06 at 06:08:18

ok so today i tried to start her. cranked and cranked with no luck. so naturally i check for spark.

I took a spare plug (tried with two spares) and grounded them against the engine fins. tried to crank and they both showed that i was not getting spark.

Any suggestions? i breezed through an old post about aussiesavage's no spark problem so im going to check for connections loose and such.