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Message started by Glenn_Gray on 03/16/06 at 18:54:40

Title: Savage Sidecar
Post by Glenn_Gray on 03/16/06 at 18:54:40

After playing with VW trikes for 10 years I decided to build a sidecar . I wanted a motorcycle that would be a challenge and afordable and after reading this site a zillion times I bought a Suzuki Savage. I know nothing about sidecars so I am designing it as an asymmetrical trike. Oh yes, I am also killing 4 birds with one stone. I have a Savage that makes me one of you, I will have a sidecar that puts me with the United Sidecar Association,one cylinder that keeps me in the fourstroke single owners association and three wheels keeps me in the Brothers of the Third Wheel. I know some of you out there can help me.

Title: Re: Savage Sidecar
Post by Savage_Rob on 03/16/06 at 19:13:53

Welcome aboard! I'm sure I'll learn a lot following your progress.

Title: Re: Savage Sidecar
Post by Max_Morley on 03/16/06 at 20:09:32

There are some sidecars on Bert's old savage site in the phots part. Also here is some information on one that was in WA state
RETRO SUZUKI with sidecar. 1986 LS650 Savage professionally
customized to resemble old British single. 18/19" alloy rims with
K70 replicas. Solo saddle with rearset foot controls. Vintage front
fender and headlight. Matching Velorex sidecar has convertible top,
brake and trunk. Detaches in 20 minutes. $4,000 firm.
clint750@netzero.net or (360) 426-7451.
Photo was in nwtt@yahoo.com site at the time this was posted 08 April 2004. I've been saving it for when I win the lottery

Title: Re: Savage Sidecar
Post by USCG Cremeans on 03/17/06 at 14:39:32

i had an idea about trying to make a sidecar..
it would give me a place to put my surfboard ;D

and i wouldnt need a kickstand anymore ; ;)

Title: Re: Savage Sidecar
Post by Glenn_Gray on 03/17/06 at 16:13:32

My grandfather Niederkorn came from Germany and my greatgrandfather Gray came from Scotland, the lands of sidecars so come on cousins and tell me what you think. Can I make a viable sidecar with a Savage?

Title: Re: Savage Sidecar
Post by Brewbrother on 03/17/06 at 17:48:55

Glenn_Gray wrote:

I think you could adapt one for in town use, but it would be a strain on highway travel for the Savage. If I were designing and building one I think weight of the side car would be critical. I would also think that modifying the carbs and exhaust would be of imperative.

Title: Re: Savage Sidecar
Post by Glenn_Gray on 03/17/06 at 18:36:33

I have a Super Trap and one of Lancers carbs. I am going to do my best to keep the curb weight under 450 pounds. I am also trying to keep the cost under $5500 and that includes a new Savage.

Title: Re: Savage Sidecar
Post by Brewbrother on 03/17/06 at 18:45:18

Glenn_Gray wrote:

I have a Super Trap and one of Lancers carbs. I am going to do my best to keep the curb weight under 450 pounds. I am also trying to keep the cost under $5500 and that includes a new Savage.

Steel frame and fiberglass body??

Title: Re: Savage Sidecar
Post by Paladin on 03/17/06 at 19:16:24

Glenn_Gray wrote:

In 1958 my Uncle picked me up at Heathrow Airport and rode me over 30 miles thru the English countryside to Grandma's House in Slade Green -- in sidecar. Great fun for an 11-year-old.

For the Savage, rather than trying to build my own, I'd go with a Watsonian Stratford (http://www.watsonian-squire.com/stratfordsidecar.htm) sidecar -- only 150 pounds. Savage should handle it just fine and still be able to do at least 65mph. I also have a local SideCar Dealer (http://www.sidestrider.com/) for help making/modifying/adjusting the mount.

I asked the girls if they would ride in a sidecar if I got one. They looked at me as if I were asking them to wallow in a pig sty. I get to stay solo.

Title: Re: Savage Sidecar
Post by Glenn_Gray on 03/17/06 at 20:05:51

Brewbrother, I am going to use the lost art of laminating paper to make the body. My father and I built a racing sailboat with a paper hull, it was fast and really cheap. Paladin,The Watsonian is a beautiful car , but I dont have those kinds of dollars in my budget. Also I am 63 and any woman I take riding will need a place to put her walker.

Title: Re: Savage Sidecar
Post by Max_Morley on 03/17/06 at 20:12:28

They have pulled sidecars with alot less cc's and torque than the Savage. I think there may even be a review on Bert's Savage home page from one of the early adoptees. http://www.heise-workstations.de/ls650/Reviews/JamesReview2-e.html. Found it. It is only missing a reverser to back out of parking spaces. Max

Title: Re: Savage Sidecar
Post by Paladin on 03/17/06 at 20:19:32

Glenn_Gray wrote:

Brewbrother, I am going to use the lost art of laminating paper to make the body. My father and I built a racing sailboat with a paper hull, it was fast and really cheap. ....

Would that be sort of like how we bulit model airplanes with paper over wood frames doped to tighten and seal?

Title: Re: Savage Sidecar
Post by Glenn_Gray on 03/17/06 at 20:56:23

Max,thanx.You have increased my confidence. Paladin,If you wet paper it can be stretched over a compound surface and by adding layers it becomes like plywood. During WW1 the Germans built wooden aircraft with compound curves by laminating wood in molds and I hope to do the same with paper. And yes I have worked with fiberglass and I hate the stuff.You dont get into trouble sanding paper.I was unable to do any work this winter as my workspace is not heated,but now I am finding time to get into my shop.As this progresses I will try to post Pictures.

Title: Re: Savage Sidecar
Post by diesel on 03/17/06 at 23:44:46

when I was in germany,'53 to '55(Fulda,Gessin,Bad Hershfelt area) thanks to Uncle Sam, anything over a 250 was hack bike. seen many Vespas amd Lambetas with chairs. knew a bike mechanic who had a 175 Puch, rode to work all week solo, come the weekend, attach the car and trailer, put the frau on the pillion, kinder in car and go shopping. 250 BMW's,350 Horex most all had cars on. I had a 250 Puch and was ask many times why I did'nt have a sidecar on it. all bemmers up to the early 60's came with Earls forks and knobs on the frame for hack attaching. I think a 40 cu. in. single would pull the he!! out of a hack. diesel

Title: Re: Savage Sidecar
Post by Salad_Shaker on 03/18/06 at 03:23:26

Over on Bert's page the very first picture in the Galery is a Savage combination belonging to one Ian Turnbull. There is a contact address. I like the idea of a Savage with chair. Go for it.

Title: Re: Savage Sidecar
Post by Brewbrother on 03/18/06 at 19:00:29

Glenn_Gray wrote:

I am looking forward to perodic reports on your progress. Your project is quite intresting. I can only hope we will get some pics.

Title: sidecar
Post by Glenn_Gray on 03/18/06 at 20:14:40

Are you guys lucky or what? I just came in from the bar and I was feeling good and I spent 30 minutes telling you all my plans for the sidecar and I pushed the wrong button. It is all gone. To summerise it - super trick sidecar steering, trick suspension, super simple body, Oil cooling, trick exhaust, and more. I grew up poor. My father was a speed freak and he loved to beat the rich guys by doing with his imagenation what they couldnt afford. If I can pull this project off it will belong to all of you.

Title: Re: Savage Sidecar
Post by mornhm on 03/19/06 at 06:08:51

An update on the layered paper (the fibers are what give it strength) is carbon fiber. Used in race cars, race MC's, Bicycles etc. Might be worth looking into.

Glenn_Gray wrote: