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Title: Wont Start Post by mooney on 03/12/06 at 13:29:06 Hey guys, im new to the site and i have to say that it's great!!! I have an 86 Savage and it has been setting most of the winter, I started it a couple of times but that was about it. I tried to start it up the other day because warm weather is starting up around here and couldnt wait to get out and ride a little. The bike started after a few tries and idled just for a few seconds then died. I am getting spark at the plug, fuel is coming out of the petcock as it should, i checked the air filter and even tried cranking it with the filter out.....nothing. After a few minutes of trying to crank it, it let out a nice little backfire, but the thing wont start up. Could you please help me out. Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Wont Start Post by 911radioman on 03/12/06 at 13:32:08 Stale gas? Carb gunked up? |
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Title: Re: Wont Start Post by mooney on 03/12/06 at 13:34:26 Drained the old gas, and filled it up with fresh. I havent messed with the carb because I dont know a lot about bike mechanics. If you could give me a few tips it would be greatly appreciated. |
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Title: Re: Wont Start Post by 911radioman on 03/12/06 at 13:46:39 My gut tells me it's probably gunked up as you mentioned that you drained the old gas. If, when putting it in storage, you didn't add Stabil (or the like) to it, you could very well have varnish in the carb. Do a search on carb cleaning or some other keywords and I'm sure there are plenty of threads out there. I do know you'll want to probably pull the bowl off the bottom of the carb and clean out the main jet and the pilot jet with a small piece of wire. Let's see what some of the other guys here can weigh in on before you go that route though. I'm just rattling off what I think it could possibly be. |
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Title: Re: Wont Start Post by mooney on 03/12/06 at 13:55:56 Thanks for the help. I had talked to a couple of my buddies and they had said the same thing, carb problems, but i thought id look around and see what i could find. Thanks again for the help. |
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Title: Re: Wont Start Post by USCG Cremeans on 03/12/06 at 13:58:59 http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;num=1141942423 That thread may help a bit, explains some carb cleaning techniques |
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Title: Re: Wont Start Post by Dynobob on 03/12/06 at 14:12:08 Add some Sea Foam carb cleaner (available at auto parts) to the gas at the proper ratio. Rap on the float bowl (the bottom of the carb) with the handle of a screwdriver a few times. This will free up sticking floats. Drain the float bowl a few times to flush out the old varnished gas. There's an easily accessable drain screw on the bottom of the carb. You'll have to put the petc0ck in "Prime" to refill the float bowl. Fuel won't flow unless the engine is running in the other two positions. This may get you going again. Good luck :) |
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Title: Re: Wont Start Post by Steve530 on 03/12/06 at 14:23:46 I think I had the same problem earlier, apparently a stuck float needle. Dynobob's suggestions worked for me. BTW, I ended up disassembling the carb to mod it. So I ended up cleaning the carb anyway. |
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Title: Re: Wont Start Post by mooney on 03/12/06 at 15:19:18 I just pulled the carb and it seems to be pretty clean actually. I ran a piece of wire through the jets and they seem to be clear. I am going to try some sea foam tomorrow, im keeping my fingers crossed here. Thanks for the help everybody. |
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Title: Re: Wont Start Post by mornhm on 03/12/06 at 15:34:33 If you aren't charging the battery between attempts to start the MC you might want to do that. Make sure the battery is full also. |
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Title: Re: Wont Start Post by mooney on 03/13/06 at 17:01:55 Well I took the carb apart and cleaned everything with carb cleaner. Everything ran through the carb, clean, and all of the holes and jets also ran through clean. Still not starting though. I put the petcock on prime to re-fill the fuel bowl and everything and im still getting the same thing. Im getting a little worried here. Someone help me!!! |
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Title: Re: Wont Start Post by USCG Cremeans on 03/13/06 at 17:44:02 this may help... plenty of good suggestions in it. But i definatly agree with what Greg says in this thread. find the problem and then fix it, instead of fixing everything hoping to fix the problem as well. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;num=1137121683 if it aint broke dont fix it. |
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Title: Re: Wont Start Post by Reelthing on 03/14/06 at 05:58:07 Take a volt meter and measure your battery - if it's under 12.3V my '02 will not start - it takes more than that to fire the ign proper. In looking over my notes I wish I could get more precise on this required voltage business but I just don't the type of adjustable power supply needed to nail it down - so all i have is this - it will spark some and crank some at 12.3V but it will not run - at 12.8v and above it fires up quickly. Of course this .5v spread reps a lot of difference in the condition of the battery. So after 24hours of no charger to the battery to allow the float to burn off - measure it - if it's on the lower side I'd replace the thing. |
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Title: Re: Wont Start Post by Dynobob on 03/14/06 at 09:52:45 USCG Cremeans wrote:
Yes, Don's bike had a weak battery preventing his bike from starting. Not enough juice for the ignition to work properly. When a bike sits idle for six months or more, there is a good chance the gas has begun to turn to varnish in the float bowl. My original post didn't suggest opening up the carb but suggested some easy ways to free up the jets and float valve from the outside. The battery is the second thing to check. |
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Title: Re: Wont Start Post by Reelthing on 03/14/06 at 10:04:35 Dynobob, at 6 months you may be giving more credit to modern gasoline's quality than it's due - couldn't agree more it will turn fairly quick, drained some out of a boat tank the other day that looked like orange juice- nasty stuff - 6 or 7 months from the fillup - but the dealer may have had it a while. |
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Title: Re: Wont Start Post by SAMM on 03/14/06 at 10:17:15 Its kind of strange .. If my 87 sets for a month and I go out to start it, there is no way it will start !! Sounds like it cranks fine but no way will it start untill I top off the bat. with a 10 min charge. After that it starts up fine, and will every morning till I let it set again for a month....... |
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Title: Re: Wont Start Post by Jim_R on 03/14/06 at 11:48:21 Sam I got a solar charger off ebay and hooked a cig lighter to my bike. The solar panel has a built in regulator and now my bike starts even faster than it did before. The cig lighter also comes in handy for a cell phone charger, lighter, solar charger, and even to jump start it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VW-SOLAR-PANIEL-BATTERY-CHARGER_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33578QQitemZ8046870061QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW |
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Title: Re: Wont Start Post by USCG Cremeans on 03/14/06 at 13:10:50 jim, where do you keep the charger... does it matter if it gets wet? |
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Title: Re: Wont Start Post by Reelthing on 03/14/06 at 13:31:00 SAMM wrote:
Be interesting to know what the volts are at that point before you try to crank it up, might help to narrow down the range of 12.3(no deal) 12.8(deal) |
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Title: Re: Wont Start Post by Ed_L. on 03/14/06 at 13:34:35 Try changing out the sparkplug, it could of gotten fouled by the stale gas. Had it happen to me once, even had a backfire right before it wouldn't start. Luck with it |
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