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Message started by torque on 02/14/06 at 13:05:09

Title: i killed the savage for good.
Post by torque on 02/14/06 at 13:05:09

when i was out riding today i blew a hole in the crankcase,(yeah what fun).anyway i havent taken it apart yet.but what i can see through the gapeing hole is $1,900 in damage. kinda funny for a reliable bike ::) ahwell i dont really care,i've really outgrownthe bike pretty quick anyway,this will give me a chance to get somthing better :)(finally).

i'll post pics of the stupid thing soon,i should have tried lancer's nitrious kit,it least i would have been going over 50mph,when it blew. :P

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by Paladin on 02/14/06 at 13:08:38

How did you manage that? And you can get a used Savage, running, in Gilroy, for $800.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by torque on 02/14/06 at 13:23:36

i dont know what really gave out,it was somthing on the bottom end,i know the counter balencer shot out of the front of the engine case denting the down tube.

when it happened the back tire locked up,which was covered by all the oil,and i slid into oncoming traffic,but i did manage to keep it upright so theres no damage to the bike besides the gapeing hole in the engine ::). i origanally thought i blew a tire.

if any of u guys want it $600 bucks custom paint and and forward controls.but if u dont want it i'll just shoot it with the 30 round ak-47.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by rokrover on 02/14/06 at 13:27:53

That's scary! These bikes have the reputation of being "bulletproof" but after cruising this site for a short while I'm not so sure. No.1 baddie seems to be the cam chain going and toasting the top end. Now there's this bottom end fragmentation! What next?

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by torque on 02/14/06 at 16:54:47

rokrover wrote:

yeah i'll never buy a suzuxi p.o.s. ever again.their quality and fit and finish is the worst i've seen. but it was easy to work on besides having to take the tank off to change the spark plug ::) and having to put thousands of dollars into it to make it comfortable,good looking,and actually get it up to a mind blowing 90mph :o no thanks. newbies or guests...save your money,seriosly. wait a year then buy what u really want, like a 1200 sporty,or the honda vtx,or even the yammy 650 v*.

p.s , we'll see if its bullet proof ;)

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by bentwheel on 02/14/06 at 17:48:38

Hmmm, seems funny the engine let go just after you "rebuilt" it.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by torque on 02/14/06 at 18:19:47

well my dad looked at it and it was the connecting arm that broke which we didnt touch on the rebuild,but we should have because,i talked to my uncle who builds engines for nascar and he said if we rebuilt the top end,the "like new" compression on the top end was too much for the bottom end to handle. so when u do a rebuild plan on spending 3 grand to do it right.

i had 18,000 miles on the bike,the owners manuel says life expectantcy is 13,000 miles,so i guess i got my money's worth out of it :-/

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by bentwheel on 02/14/06 at 18:31:48

torque wrote:

,the owners manuel says life expectantcy is 13,000 miles,so i guess i got my money's worth out of it :-/

I don't buy that. These low compression mildly tuned old technology engines will go well past 13k before needing a rebuild.

BTW where did the connecting rod break? Was it at the big end or small end?

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by necropsy on 02/14/06 at 19:51:09

torque wrote:

if any of u guys want it $600 bucks custom paint and and forward controls.but if u dont want it i'll just shoot it with the 30 round ak-47.

How about parting it out?
I'd love to get my hands on a cheap fender w/ accessories (lights, siderails, sissy bar) to chop and rework.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by sluggo on 02/14/06 at 20:03:07

bummer torque, i know the feeling, i killed my gn 400 but the good news is it led me here.

honestly, i think it's a blessing in disguise for you. while i've enjoyed your company here, it feels like you have never been quite satisisfied with your savage. and thats kewl.

if i were in your situation i would buy another savage and and use it for spare parts.

i think the parting out option would get you more than six hundered, but then again blowing the crap out of it could be fun, if that's the option take pictures.

peas owt sluggo

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by mmosel on 02/14/06 at 21:06:54

Wow, that sucks. Sorry to hear it. May you have better luck with your next bike. Too bad you can't just pick up a used motor and drop it in.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by thumperclone on 02/14/06 at 22:30:47

at LEAST you survived the traffic to tell your story!! 8)

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by SeeAPierce on 02/14/06 at 22:45:18

Thumperclone is absolutley right! :D The real story here is that you're safe and weren't turned off biking all together - that would suck... >:(
Sad to lose you :(, but enjoy the Sportster 8)...you buying new or used? Send pictures when you've got it the way you want it. (you think the Savage was $$ to get it "just right"? You have not yet begun to spend! ;))

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by Jim_R on 02/15/06 at 04:31:41

Yeah I agree, the important thing is u are safe. I bet that was scarry as crap. I dont see how u didnt spill either. With all the money that u have already spent and now u need even more parts and ect I would cut my losses and sell the parts. Unless someone here has a spare running engine for sale that is. The closest one I found was in Ohio and it was from an 88 which I dont know would work with a 98.

I thought about selling mine and still ponder the idea. Only bad thing is I dont want payments for another bike as well as high insurance. Maybe I can get a hot tub hehe. jk

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by torque on 02/15/06 at 06:34:27

yeah,im lucky i didn't get killed.but awhile ago i was going to trade my truck for a 883 sportster and a 96 mustang,but that deal didn't work out. im really thinking about a sport bike,maybe a new 500 or 650 ninja,my dad works six and half days a week so the sporty1200c is mine most of the time so i really dont want another one.

yeah my brother got the savage for his first bike,he didnt do any research on it ,kind of an impulse buy,and he out grew it in less than 7 months,he couldn't stand the buzy a$s motor. so when he left for iraq 3 years ago,he gave me the savage as a "hope u dont die" present. but the first year and a half i didnt ride it because i was 17 working third shift 70 hours a week,so when i finally started to ride the savage probably in 2004,i fixed the factory oil leak,then kept fixing it ever since,so i only got to ride it 11 months the rest was down time.yeah i've never been satisfied with it. a 650 with the power of a 125,yeah it's small but thers a million small bikes out there that dont copy the technolgy of a lawn mower.

i might part it out, it does have brand new paint ::)

the only positive thing that came out of the savage was meeting the people on this forum and most of all meeting jim_r.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by lancer on 02/15/06 at 06:39:31

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but this is the first time I have EVER heard about a Savage coming apart like this. I know that when I am riding on the road my engine rarely gets below 5000 rpm...at a stop light it idles, but otherwise it is cranked up. Something really crazy happened to yours to make it self-distruct like that.

I am sorry for your loss man.

I WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR TOP END WHEN YOU TAKE IT APART.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by slavy on 02/15/06 at 07:21:06

I am sorry for what happened to You ,
but I think something from the rebiulding caused the problem. I have heard the excuse "it became so strong, that the rest of the parts couldn't handle the power" and it can be truth about an engine that makes 1000 HP/ lt. This is not Your case. Don't blame Suzuki for it. They make what the people buy. You had the cheapest built entry-level bike. Don't think that V-star 650 is a better bike. I personaly have it like a overprised, underpowered Virago. I don't think that Sporty is worthed the money more than any rise bike /exept for the V-star. From all the Jap companys Kaw. is the worst, like a rule /doesn't mean they don't have some good models, but they are the most mechanic unfriendly/.
So just take it easy, let couple of days pass and start looking for somebody's Savage sitting in his back yard, and go snatch that Savage for a steal. You have all the knowledge now , So use it.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by torque on 02/15/06 at 07:41:16

slavy wrote:

So just take it easy, let couple of days pass and start looking for somebody's Savage sitting in his back yard, and go snatch that Savage for a steal. You have all the knowledge now , So use it.

that aint going to happen,i'm not going to put any more money into it.your talking about buy another engine say u can find one for $400 that runs,its going to need parts too. when your spending the same amount a month to keep it running as a new bike's payments,why the hell woulnt u get a new bike ???

it had nothing to do with the rebuild the connecting arm broke off the crank shaft. i can move the piston so it didnt freeze up.and yes there was plenty of oil.my truck bed is still filled with it :P

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by Kaishaku on 02/15/06 at 08:42:47

As far as cruisers go, I don't think the Savage is that behind on technology.

The LS makes 30 hp from its one jug, while the V*650 makes a massive.... 35. Other cruisers in this range are pretty much the same, with nothing making substantially more than 40 hp except probably the Vulcan 750. Now the 600cc sportbikes, on the other hand, produce well over 100 hp :-/ but they have four carburetors you have to fiddle with!

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by luckyeddy on 02/15/06 at 08:53:34

Whenever something breaks I often ask myself "what was the last thing that was worked on" many times this will be the cause of the problem. Happened to me once when i rebuilt the transmission in a 56 harley hummer, some of the gears "didn't get along" and the first time i shifted into 2nd gear the whole tranny broke. Sounds like there was an oil pump/pressure issue to the lower end bearings, saw the same thing happen to a Kohler engine in a snowblower once for similar reasons.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by lancer on 02/15/06 at 08:58:59

torque wrote:

With the crank still turning, like you said it did not freeze up. It is strange for sure, but there are freak accidents when a part will fail because of metal fatigue failure...could be it had a bad connecting rod ... it happens.

But still........BUMMER!! :'(

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by Manxman on 02/15/06 at 10:37:40

Sorry about the blow up, Torque. I can identify with that. And glad to hear you didn't get hurt. Just running out of gas on a Savage can lock the wheel. While I haven't had any problems with my wife's '97 Savage I think it's time to sell it. Not because I expect to have trouble in the near future, I just don't want to keep taking a bath on depreciation. My Sporty is worth about what I paid for it in 2002. Every month the Savage loses value no matter what extra work you add to it. Don't get me wrong, I like the bike and it was a good buy for me at the time, but the next bike addition to the Sportster will be another Harley or BMW. I was in the horse business for many years raising, training and showing Arabian horses. I learned how to make a small fortune in the horse business - start with a large fortune! But I did learn that it costs as much to maintain a cheap, ugly horse as it does a beautiful expensive horse. Same with a bike - parts to rebuild a Savage is as much or more as it is to rebuild a Sportster and the time is about the same. Only you have to rebuild a Savage much more often than you do a Sporty. But my motto is ride what you like and like what you ride. Good luck with your next bike and keep us in the know. And keep the chrome side up.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by Savage_Rob on 02/15/06 at 10:57:15

Wow, sorry to hear that but I'm glad to hear you were able to walk away from it. Locking the rear wheel at speed is always an opportunity to eat asphalt and it's good when you stay upright and don't collide with anything. I hope you're happy with your next bike. You are probably better off parting this one out though. It'll probably give you more coin-in-hand for the next one.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by bentwheel on 02/15/06 at 11:20:24

i killed the savage for good.

No you didn't. You only wounded her. You're going to have to use that AK-47 to really have a dead Savage.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by luckyeddy on 02/15/06 at 11:28:44

My Sporty is worth about what I paid for it in 2002. Every month the Savage loses value no matter what extra work you add to it. Don't get me wrong, I like the bike and it was a good buy for me at the time, but the next bike addition to the Sportster will be another Harley or BMW.

Worth is a relative term, Harleys are "worth" what they are for the same reason diamonds are "worth" what they are. With diamonds the DeBeers company artificially controls price and market supply and creates a "Mistique" with their advertising methods that artificially inflates the price at any given time. The Harley "Image" seems to create a similar condition in which a commodity is priced well beyond what its utility or quality would normally allow. This will become a problem for harley as the demographics of motorcycle riders evolves and their product does not change significantly from the company blueprint (and in fact can not, as any change in product would take away from the "image" vis a vis Buell and Vrod). I too like Harley Davidson motorcycles, but I refuse to pay more for a toy than the utility I can get from it. (Which is also why i insist on buying used motorcycles as they have for the most part already depriciated so i dont worry about"losing their value")

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by shawn_b on 02/15/06 at 11:52:27

hay sorry about your lost i think a sport bike might be your best bet cuz most of the posts that i have read from you are about how fast u need to go the savage is a crusier no a speed bike like the gsr650 or what ever there names are u need somthing that will do what u whant it to do and the savage is notttttttttttttttt it 8)

sorry shawn ;D

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by Manxman on 02/15/06 at 12:48:35

Not to argue with you, Luckyeddy, but paying less that 6k (retail) for a Sportster in 2002 wasn't a bad deal considering what else was available at the time. But the true value of any commodity is not what the seller "thinks" it is worth but is determined by what a buyer is willing to pay. So as long as buyers are willing to pay 6k for a 4 year old Sporty life is sweet.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by mmosel on 02/15/06 at 14:18:16

The timing on this little incident blows. But things can happen at any time, for any reason. (and some people believe that everything happens FOR a reason)

I was watching American Chopper the other night, and they had put a sweet new motor in their shelby bike. They had a problem with the oil being too thick, or too cold, or not circulating enough. They weren't sure. They decided to dyno it without any break in time at all. They siezed the motor almost immediately. They cracked the cylinder head, etc. They had to rebuild the whole thing overnight.

Here's hoping that your next bike lives long and healthy.

If I wanted a bike just for the strength of it's motor, I would buy a BMW. People seem to put a lot of miles on those bikes.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by bobtreat on 02/15/06 at 17:16:17

Real sorry for the loss of your ride,Happy you held er up ;DWife an i where just lookin at Harlies today and the base sporty was over 6 grand!! Could'nt hold a candle to the S50 or M50 let alone the vulcan 750 and theres money left over for creature comforts.With gas prices on the rise and insurance costs I'll keep the savage and pick another one up for the wife.150.00 bucks a yr for full coverage and 58 MPG money well spent with change to spare 8)

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by cigaro on 02/15/06 at 18:16:28

I'm with bobtreat. Heck, I could have bought a Sporty 883 when I bought the Savage, but it was crampy and small for me. Ergos aren't nearly as good as the Savage! And there's definitely a monetary advantage to riding what the insurance industry deems one of the least crashed and least stolen bikes. I'm paying $120 a year through Progressive. Can't complain about that.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by Dynobob on 02/15/06 at 18:57:39

rokrover wrote:

That's scary! These bikes have the reputation of being "bulletproof" but after cruising this site for a short while I'm not so sure.

These bikes are very durable. Keep in mind that Torque beat on his Savage unmercifully. His burnouts and constant abuse are what killed his Savage, not a problem inherant with the bike.

And to the Harley supporters - I'm sure you'll be rebuilding your top ends, etc. just as frequently as a Savage. You want long term durability ? Buy a liquid cooled bike or a BMW.

Torque needs a sportbike that will withstand this type of punishment. I don't think any cruiser will hold up being subjected to his style of riding.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by shawn_b on 02/15/06 at 20:40:27

i dont thing that a hd will hold up to that type of beating maybe a tank ??? ??? ??? ;D will hold up

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by torque on 02/16/06 at 05:44:48

Dynobob wrote:

These bikes are very durable. Keep in mind that Torque beat on his Savage unmercifully. His burnouts and constant abuse are what killed his Savage, not a problem inherant with the bike.

actually boss, my engine blew out not the clutch ::) so burnouts have nothing to do with it.

and what the hell is this constant abuse sh!t? last time i looked, riding a motorcycle around town whasn't considered abuse. but who knows? me and u are differant,i rode the savage ,u seem to park it and polish most of the time, imo.

dont talk sh!t about me,i didnt say a phuckin thing about u turkeys

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Post by Dynobob on 02/16/06 at 08:35:51

torque wrote:

actually boss, my engine blew out not the clutch ::) so burnouts have nothing to do with it.

You posted your speed exploits (burnouts, etc.) on this board.

You run your bike really hard and then are surprised when the engine blows. Then you call all Savages crap. Dude, these are reliable bikes. You abused yours and you blew it up.

You make too many assumptions. I ride my bike just as much as you, only I don't run mine into the ground. Gotta go. It's 60 and I'm going riding ;D

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by shawn_b on 02/16/06 at 09:01:33

the bike will hold up under normal use not burn outs & seeing how fast or loud u can go from stop light to stop light :o ??? 8) 8) 8) :-X

sorry u said it was a p.o.s not us. ::) :-X :-[ :-*

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by torque on 02/16/06 at 10:05:00

shawn_b wrote:

the bike will hold up under normal use not burn outs & seeing how fast or loud u can go from stop light to stop light :o ??? 8) 8) 8) :-X

sorry u said it was a p.o.s not us. ::) :-X :-[ :-*

yeah i said the bike was a piece of sh!t,so what. but when someone says i beat on it unmercifully,thats a load of b.s. yeah there was the once a month burnout and the twice a month stop light to stop light battle,but when i lost to that 250 ninja that was the last one for me.sorry u guys think i abused my bike .but if i just wanted to get around i'd by moped.thats not my style at all,sorry.

yeah it's 70 here today,(i got to wear the half helmet ;D) and i just came back from a perfect ride,up in the mountains,cant beat that,especially on a h-d 8)

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by bentwheel on 02/16/06 at 10:18:56

As I said before, these Savage engines are low compression, mildly tuned reliable old tech engines. If you run them hard, guess what, nothing happens. These engines don't blow up when run hard, they simply slow down over time. You can run any engine hard but it stays within its capacity, ie. the lower state of tune the more reliable the engine. And besides that, Torque says he didn't abuse his engine. What makes an engine like this blow up to this extreme is lack of maintenance, or improper wrenching. I know Torque just finished a partial engine rebuild so I would surmise something went wrong with the rebuild causing the engine to go kablamo.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by shawn_b on 02/16/06 at 10:24:08

good for u u better get 2 jobs to keep up the repair bills on that harley $hiterson cuz it will not take the abuse that the savage did!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now theres a p.o.s for u
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

shawn

keep american repair men working buy a harley $hiterson they look just as good on the lift as they do on the road!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by Savage_Rob on 02/16/06 at 10:25:56

torque wrote:

i run the sh!t out of my bike,thats why i bought it,i take excellant care of it though,i love the little thing. if i want to drive slow and wistle at the girls i,ll just drive my truck ::)

i'm glad i have to rebuild it ,i get to see what,s worn out(this will be the 7th time i have had the motor out of the bike,in a two year period >:(),it only takes a day to hone the cylinder change the cam shaft and chain,and put a new clutch in ...its just waiting for the parts that sucks.

jim-r's cam chain went out at 7,000 miles ,it cost him $1,800 to fix it.

i actually have 17,921miles

He says he runs the sh!t out of it and that he takes good care of it. I'll believe him on both counts. I don't think the Savage is a POS though. I think something out of the ordinary had to have occurred to cause this; either a premature part failure or something awry in the recent rebuild (and we've all had crap go wrong or get overlooked like that before if we've done any amount of maintenance). I don't know what the cause was but I hope Torque finds a bike that fits him. Ride safely folks.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by shawn_b on 02/16/06 at 10:28:22

maybe it was the rebuild ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? :'(

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by torque on 02/16/06 at 10:48:13

i already said what happed to it. ::). and i dont really care anymore like i said time too move on too better things.

buy the way a h-d was a seven year warranty on everything except tires,rims,lightbulbs, and belts so two years after u pay it off u still have a warranty,and yes thats a seven year unlimited mile warranty on the powertrain. so i wont have to put a pennie into it for seven years, oh except for gas ;)

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by vroom1776 on 02/16/06 at 10:52:26

Well, at any rate, it sucks that his biek died, for wahtever the reason.

My chain tensioner died at about 13k miles on a long road trip. I was unmerciful to it: 6000 miles in 6 days at 80 or 85 mph. It kept going, just not over 65 mph. The bike took the me the next 800 miles, running like sh*t, to Massachusetts where it wsa rebuilt. Runs great now. A pal of mine had a Suzuki Haybusa. His cam chain tensioner blew too, and he was just bopping around town at 30 mph. It seems to me that this is a problem with suzuki's in general...

JimR, me, the 'busa, and I reacall someone else with this problem. However, since I did get home on my trip, I still think these bikes (i.e. savages) are pretty reliable. My budy's 'busa did not work when he lost his timing, but then again, he bent a valve.

So how many savages have died on this site? Me, JimR, torque, maybe 2 or 3 more (I think paladin bought one with an "optional hole in the piston head"... that one looked like it was jetted way too lean... user error)... out of about 1000 site users? so let's call it 5, no 10 just for kicks, dead savages... that's a 1% failure rate.

and again, just in general (and torque, this isn't aimed at you!), the savage is not designed to be a fast bike. It's designed to be cheap. ~~$$$~~

Torque, good luck with your next bike! May I suggest an old honda cb 750? reasonably fast and they make great choppers!

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Post by Savage_Rob on 02/16/06 at 10:58:38

torque wrote:

buy the way a h-d was a seven year warranty on everything except tires,rims,lightbulbs, and belts so two years after u pay it off u still have a warranty,and yes thats a seven year unlimited mile warranty on the powertrain. so i wont have to put a pennie into it for seven years, oh except for gas ;)

The quote below is from the Harley-Davidson website. I looked at several models from the XL 1200L Sporrtster 1200 Low to the Ultra Classic Electra Glide and they all said the exact same thing. There is another place that says to check with your local dealership about a free extended warranty for a limited time but it doesn't explain it.

Quote:

All models feature 5-speed transmission (Dyna™ models are 6-speed) and carbon fiber belt final drive; 40mm constant velocity carburetor with enrichener and accelerator pump (except Electronic Sequential Port Fuel Injection models); multi-plate clutch with diaphragm spring in oil bath; and 2-year unlimited-mileage warranty.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by torque on 02/16/06 at 11:24:05

thats the standard warranty. we paid $400 more for the 7 year extended warranty,it's like one dollar more a month.so why not do it?

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by torque on 02/16/06 at 11:26:38

vroom1776 wrote:

yeah i thought about a xs 650!! great bikes!

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by Savage_Rob on 02/16/06 at 11:38:29

torque wrote:

thats the standard warranty. we paid $400 more for the 7 year extended warranty,it's like one dollar more a month.so why not do it?

$400 for a 5-year warranty is a fantastic deal.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by bentwheel on 02/16/06 at 11:58:01

You have to be careful when you buy extended warranty coverage. Sometimes it is not as it seems. Let me give you an example of what Suzuki is offering in Canada. On all new Suzuki purchases you get two years of Suzuki protection plan coverage in addition to the one year unlimited mileage standard warranty. This extra two years protection plan is actually underwritten by somebody called Motors Insurance Corporation. If you can get them to provide the small print you quickly learn this extra coverage is not as comprehensive as the manufacturers warranty. I don't think I have to tell anyone how difficult it is to get free repair work from an insurance company.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by Savage_Rob on 02/16/06 at 13:30:39

That's true. Most extended auto warranties are basically insurance policies, with associated deductibles. For instance, mine has the standard 3-year/36K mile manufacturer's bumper-to-bumper warranty (and a 7-year/100K mile powertrain warranty). Then it has a bumper-to-bumper extended warranty to take the non-powertrain portions to 6-year/72K miles but with a $100 per incident deductible.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by mmosel on 02/16/06 at 15:11:56

I got luck when I bought my used s40, the previous owner purchased a comprehensive 5 year extended warranty. It covers pretty much everything. I think he paid $600 for it. There were three levels, C, B, A. C is minimum. B covers C plus more. A covers B & C plus more.

Point is, you can buy extended warranties for any bike.

I don't care what bike you own, if you run it hard, it'll shorten it's lifespan. The law of decay kicks in. Things wear down & break. I don't imagine the lil' savage engine likes being pushed to extremes on a consistent basis. One cylinder to carry the load! It has to work twice as hard as a twin, so it's life might be shorter.

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Post by Ed_L. on 02/16/06 at 16:26:19

Torque, sorry to hear about the Savage blowing up, real glad you didn't get hurt when the engine went. Maybe the bike was a lemon, have had a couple cages like that, fix one thing and something else f*cks up. Luck on your new ride be it a cruiser or sport bike and keep the rubber on the road and the wind in your hair. ;D

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by torque on 02/16/06 at 16:38:11

Ed_L. wrote:

thanks ed-L, yeah it might have been a lemon,who knows? as for keeping the wind in my hair,i'd rather die than not be able to ride,riding motor cycles is my life.thats why i'm going to M.M.I so i can work on them full time. later.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by Trippah on 02/16/06 at 19:30:07

torque- the new h-d's are pretty nice, and if you've picked one up= there is an almost endless list of upgrades and mods that will keep you as busy and broke as you want to be. The electrician at work has one that has so few origional parts, I think he almost has a second bike in his basement by now :D
I was going to suggest a ducati monster, you can't hardly get faster or more fun for, in the used catagory, so little expense. Personnaly, I'd get a guzzi if the fam didn't stop spending money. Anyway, keep in touch and hope the mmi works out for you; can't help but make you even better at wrenching than you are today. Have a blast. At almost 60, I gotta say, ride while you can..the road may be endless, but us humans aren't. :D

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by shawn_b on 02/16/06 at 20:18:58

hey good luck on hd covering the type or abuse that u dole out :o theres probably a driver misuse disclamer that will cover your burn outs &red light run downs :-X
:-* :-[ :'( sorry it a fact that if u always in the motor it will not hold up no bike or car will cover misuse i.e.abuse

Shawn

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by torque on 02/17/06 at 06:27:53

your such a gut buster ole shawny-boy :P in my ranger i always have the pedal to the metal,i have to just to keep the dubs rolling and at 110,000 miles it hasnt gave my one single problem except for the windshield wiper motor,and that gas tank that needs to filled way to often ::).i mean most motors are made to take abuse,like toyota who runs their engines wide open for a week straight to see if they will hold up,and they do!
harley and yamaha do similar torture test's

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by Dynobob on 02/17/06 at 09:53:55

torque wrote:

i mean most motors are made to take abuse

Sometimes they will and sometimes they won't. You play Russian roulette when you run a stock motor like a dragster. When you lose say bye bye to your motor. There's a reason why drag racers blueprint their motors, magnaflux and shotpeen parts, and use forged pistons, cranks and rods. You played the game and lost. Just don't badmouth the Savage.

Shawny-boy is probably right - that Sportster probably won't make it to 20k miles with constant abuse. And before you start whining...burnouts and frequent full throttle runs is abusive whether you like to admit it or not. I used to run automobiles just as hard or harder than you. I never blew up a motor. I do know lots of people who did.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by shawn_b on 02/17/06 at 10:30:02

hey it ok he is just a kid when a grows up he know that we were right.torque no pun intended :o good luck with what ever u buy or get just be careful u dont have to drive like a bat out of hell it ok to cruise 8)
good luck i wish i could ride today its 30 outside to cool for the savage she hates cold

good luck
shawn

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by Reelthing on 02/17/06 at 10:45:11

Trippah wrote:

Personnaly, I'd get a guzzi if

hey them guzzi's are just for old geezers! 8)

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by cigaro on 02/17/06 at 10:46:00

Yeah, good luck with your search. It's a drag having your bike blow up, but it doesn't do any good to bad mouth the Savage, either, won't fix it. You've been talking about making a move for a while. What better opportunity than this?!? You'll be happier. Seems like a sports bike might be the best fit.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by Starlifter on 02/17/06 at 15:19:22

Yeah, good luck! Hope we don't see you in a wheel-chair or worse down the road. ::)

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by torque on 02/18/06 at 07:36:15

bike poll (http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2209) wonder why? hmmm

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by pgolden on 02/18/06 at 07:45:46

I have a solution for you torque, get a 2 stroke dirt bike to ride when you feel like running the crap out of a motorcycle, they will take all the abuse you and I could dish out. Go ahead and fix your Savage to cruise on for times when you want to just enjoy the ride. Good luck whatever you do.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by Paladin on 02/18/06 at 08:25:58

That is a self-selected poll, and thus invalid.

I have never understood this mindless "follow the crowd" mindset. "DUH! I don't know what to think, let me see what others think and I'll just go along with the pack."

You have to look at how you ride and what you expect out of a motorcycle and select on that basis. Took me about 12 years to learn what I require in a Vehicle, and another 20 to figure out what I want in a motorcycle. Some people never learn.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by DianeS. on 02/18/06 at 11:49:52

I say: Sorry about your Savage.

I've only had mine a few months, but for me it's the bike I like and hope to keep for quite a while. Yet, it's my first motorcycle, and I was happy just to get a basic bike that would fit a 5'3" me, at a decent price. Sport bikes etc. are awesome, but I can't afford them. I do pick up buy & sell mags. to drool a bit, but I love my little savage!

Anyway, whatever happens, I hope you enjoy the Harley or whatever other bikes you get. How you ride it, mod it etc. is your choice - cause it's your bike.

Happy riding!!! ;D

DianeS.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by torque on 02/19/06 at 08:51:30

lancer wrote:

I WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR TOP END WHEN YOU TAKE IT APART.

sent u a p.m.

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by klx650sm2002 on 02/20/06 at 02:54:00

Hey Lancer,
What u planin' on with the head man ?

Clive W :D

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by Reelthing on 02/20/06 at 06:27:21

he beat me to it! - want one here to try some serious port work

Title: Re: i killed the savage for good.
Post by klx650sm2002 on 02/22/06 at 04:17:48

To Lancer & Reelthing

When you get your porting done could you post pics. thanks.

Clive W :D