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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Question on Exhaust Modification /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1139796537 Message started by 911radioman on 02/12/06 at 18:08:57 |
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Title: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by 911radioman on 02/12/06 at 18:08:57 I realize the answer I'm looking for will probably be as subjective as "dino vs. synthetic oil" or "standard spark plugs vs. iridium", and I'm certainly not looking to spark any kind of a debate at all! :D I want to look into doing the muffler upgrade at some point. I know from searching the posts that some use Sportster muffs, others use DynaGlide muffs, yet others use SuperTrapp, MAC and Jardine. My question(s) are as follows... 1.) Regarding the Sportster mufflers -- are there particular years of the Sportster mufflers that work better than others regarding fit? 2.) Which mufflers out there are pretty much straight bolt-ups and don't require any modification? Are any of them that way? 3.) Is there any general concensus among the forum members which is the overall better way to go with a muffler? I ask because I'd like to start watching eBay for HD mufflers, but I don't want to be bidding on the wrong thing and wind up with something that just can't be used. If I've overlooked something in the hundreds of posts on this subject, I apologize in advance!!! Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by pgolden on 02/12/06 at 18:17:12 I have a sportster muffler on my 2001. I bought it on E-bay for $37.00 plus $11.00 shipping. I like the sound. It is not loud, it just sounds deep and throaty. I had to bend the mounting tab with a hammer. I used some thin sheet metal and some muffler sealer in a tube from the parts store to seal it up. I bought a 7" chrome cover from JCW to cover up the joint. If you would like to listen to a short sound file, I can e-mail it to you. |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by 911radioman on 02/12/06 at 18:21:11 You've got mail... :) |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by Savage_Rob on 02/12/06 at 18:21:57 The MAC is a straight bolt-on and works well. It is a bit loud but performs very well. I have it on mine. http://www.macperformance.com/ The Raask dragpipe is a high quality single piece pipe that replaces the header and muffler and I'm pretty sure it's a direct bolt-on too. http://www.raask.se/ There are also Jardines and Supertrapps made specifically for the Savage/S40. |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by Hammy211 on 02/12/06 at 21:22:48 I have a SE II slash cut and I like how it sounds and looks. However I would purchase a turn out if I had to do it again to keep the muffler exhaust off the brake. I would guess that all sportster mufflers fit pretty much the same. |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by 911radioman on 02/12/06 at 21:50:55 I appreciate all the responses so far! I was viewing a thread over in the technical section that looks like the Sportster pipe is pretty straightforward, just bending the tab and drilling a new hole to mount to the bike itself. |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by Dynobob on 02/13/06 at 01:47:56 The Raask exhaust would be an easy bolt on and would yield good performance. I put a Supertrapp on mine because I like it's looks as well as it's sound. It has more of an OEM look to it. I had to remove some metal off the end of the header pipe so the mounting bolts would line up. This was a minor PIA. Most of the Harley mufflers require some fabrication to install. They need a short piece of pipe with a 10 degree bend in it to kick it out a bit. Without this they dump right onto the rear brake. Some have had interference problems with the rear brake cable without the adapter pipe. If you look in the Technical Documents/Reference area here you will find sound clips of most of the mufflers. The sound clips are what really sold me on the Supertrapp. It has a really nice mellow note ;D |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by 911radioman on 02/13/06 at 02:06:15 Those sound files don't seem to work. :-[ |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by Dynobob on 02/13/06 at 05:38:29 [quote author=911radioman link=board=RubberSideDown;num=1139796537;start=0#7 date=02/13/06 at 02:06:15]Those sound files don't seem to work. :-[/quote] Darn. Those are some dead links. Hey Paladin, are you hosting those soundfiles ? |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by Savage_Rob on 02/13/06 at 07:35:17 I've uploaded the sound files to this site's storage and modified the links. It should be okay now. |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by tankerblaze on 02/13/06 at 10:59:10 Sound files available for Jardine Slashcut exhaust here. Describing the sound is fairly simple... END OF THE WORLD loud. Aside from the obvious aesthetic affect, the bike is also pulling a LOT harder than she was with the stock pipe. I'm able to pull the front end off the ground easily now! e-mail for files: michael.blaz@gmail.com |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by 911radioman on 02/13/06 at 13:03:33 OK, I found some Sportster pipes on eBay. I need a little education from you guys though... Seller says there are two different types of mufflers that fit the Sportster. One has the single tab on the barrel of the muffler, and the other has a "rail type" mounting, whatever that is. Will either of these work, or is the single tab the one I want? Thanks! Tom |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by Fat Bastard on 02/13/06 at 13:57:22 Hey.. both will fit.. the one with the single tab has to be bent (the tab) there are pictures on this forum wich show how, to fit the bracket.. and drill a hole. The "rail type" mounting, fits directly onto the bracket without modification.. but will blow exhaust directly onto brakes/cable if it isn't a turnout. modification is needed to point exhaust from brake if muffler is slash or straight back... mine is a "rail type" turnout. http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/virago125/se2.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/virago125/bracket2.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/virago125/bracket.jpg one with tab http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/virago125/7e_1.jpg and like mine with "rail" http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/virago125/04_1.jpg |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by Capt._Capsize on 02/14/06 at 08:31:10 Howdy, many riders are paying too much for their Sportster mufflers. Try all the independent V twin shops and custom shops in your area. I can find these muffs all day long for 15 to 25 bucks. I started this fad some 5 years ago on the Bert Heise Savage forum and am on my third Savage. I have or had a Sportster muff on all of them. I use a 6" piece of exhaust pipe with about a 10 degree bend in it to clear the brake lever. The pipe ends should be stretched to make a perfect fit with the header pipe and muff. The muffler mount requires a slight downward bend to make things line up without stressing anything. I bent mine by heating with a torch and using a big crescent wrench for leverage. I recommend the white spacer mod and jet change before the muffler change. The engine is set up too lean as it is and a freer flowing exhaust will only make it worse, even to the point of engine damage. |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by lancer on 02/14/06 at 10:19:31 That's for sure. There are plenty of mufflers on ebay as well that are very cheap. I buy PAIRS of mufflers on dk-trader's site store for $25-30 + $15 shp. There are dozens of these for sale...you could open a Harley muffler shop with all of these if you wanted to buy that many. |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by RadarORiley on 02/14/06 at 10:52:30 Savage_Rob wrote:
;D glad you fixed it, I've been down & unable to ride & you know that's how I get my "FIX" |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by Savage_Rob on 02/14/06 at 10:58:44 RadarORiley wrote:
;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by 911radioman on 02/14/06 at 14:23:54 I got my Sportster muffler for $35 bucks so I'm not complaining any. Took the Savage out for a ride this afternoon since we finally got some 50+ degree weather. The spacer mod and idle mixture adjustment virtually eliminated the backfire, still get a bit on decel but nothing like it was. |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by Reelthing on 02/14/06 at 21:27:06 you feel any more zip out of it ? |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by Steeler_Mike on 07/25/06 at 07:41:21 DUMB question - how do I know what size muffler to get for my 06 S40? I see most listed as 1"3/4 and 1"1/2 - which is the correct for my bike? THANKS (not to bright on this subject yet). |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by vroom1776 on 07/25/06 at 08:12:53 1 3/4" will fit. It's a hair big, but works. |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by smokey02 on 07/26/06 at 00:04:56 I got these for $60 on ebay, It's a rail type mount, bolts right onto the stock bracket (w/HD bolts), no drilling or bending anything. part# 80000-84A HD turnout 19.5 inches long http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2006%5C08%5C06%5Cbikepics-649429-full.jpg Rail mount bolts (from Pomona Valley Harley Davidson) CC DTP T-bolt for channel $1.50 ea http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2006%5C08%5C05%5Cbikepics-648971-800.jpg 7 inch adaptor. Slight 3 deg bend, 10 deg was too much. HD clamps. HD HDP Clamp 65283-94 $8.75 ea http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2006%5C08%5C05%5Cbikepics-648962-800.jpg Brake lever clearance http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2006%5C08%5C05%5Cbikepics-648967-800.jpg Samson 10" heat shield The Samson heat shield is a H129 10" x 2 1/4" http://www.samsonusa.com/samsonhome.html (click on Accessories, then Heat Shields) I ordered mine from a local chopper shop, $39.95 + tax http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2006%5C08%5C06%5Cbikepics-649434-800.jpg |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by bholly12 on 07/26/06 at 09:18:57 Hey I've been looking for rail mounted exhausts & I'm not having much luck at all. What's a good ebay search technique other than extreme patience? |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by 911radioman on 07/26/06 at 12:08:47 search for "dyna mufflers" for one... |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by PA KID on 07/26/06 at 13:00:26 The jardine pipe is an easy install,comes with a nice clamp cover.Took off my supertrapp an slid the new pipe on in about 20 min i was ridin.It's the loudist pipe i've ever heard on a single!!(I LIKE IT) ;D |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by smokey02 on 07/26/06 at 18:07:23 I searched ebay with the word turnout, then I skipped over all the HORSE BLANKETS till I found a pair of mufflers. First 2 pairs were 'Screamin Eagle' and I got outbid, but the third pair were 'Harley Davidson' script not SE, no one else bid on them, so I got them for 60usd brand new in the box. Only used one, the plain one. |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by 911radioman on 07/26/06 at 18:31:14 Got my Dyna mufflers this evening from the trusty FedEx man. These things don't have a single scratch on them! I swear they must've been taken off before the bike ever left the dealership... ;D It's off to the muffler shop in the morning, and then to the local indie bike shop for a couple of Harley muff clamps. |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by 40inch on 10/03/06 at 19:37:51 where can I buy the raask drag pipe?? I've seen the raask website but don't see a place to but it, anyone have an idea where t get it? |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by georgekathe on 10/03/06 at 22:43:16 maybe I'm late jumping on this, 911radioman & you have already gone with a HD one, but I was very happy with the slash cut I got from Lancer. In my case it bolted straight on (think thumperclone had to fabricate a bracket for his but I have not seen his bike in a couple of weeks so can't recall for sure). |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by Savage_Rob on 10/04/06 at 11:28:47 40inch wrote:
Go to the Raask site and click on RETAILERS (http://www.raask.com/e-katalo.htm). |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by TheFid on 10/10/06 at 12:19:51 AN engineer mate of mine knocked this silencer up for me. Its stainless steel and aluminium. As you can see its a reverse taper and not very silent. It has a throaty roar. I have reduced the white spacer to half thicknessaccomodate the reduced back pressure I think this Forum isEXCELLENT. |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by TheFid on 10/10/06 at 12:33:01 http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m101/TheMorecambeFid/SavageRHS.jpg |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by barb36jack31 on 10/10/06 at 15:40:34 SuperTrapp is a direct bolt-on. Pull the whole exhaust system, put on a new header gasket, line everything up and tighten it all down Outstanding sound and pulls like a tractor - not a hesitation or flat spot anywhere! Good luck! Jack H.. |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by Savage_Rob on 10/11/06 at 05:09:49 barb36jack31 wrote:
I didn't realize the Supertrapp replaced the header too. I though it only replaced the muffler like the Jardine and MAC do. I guess you learn something every day. The Raask is a full pipe that replaces the entire exhaust system too. If you search for posts by Greg_650 and look at his bike, you can see the Raask. It's pricier than most of the mufflers but it's supposed to be excellent quality. |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by Dynobob on 10/11/06 at 13:46:43 Savage_Rob wrote:
The Supertrapp is a replacement muffler. You keep your original header pipe. |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by thumperclone on 10/11/06 at 19:01:08 TheFid wrote:
like the yellow mud flap!! just kiddin ::) welcome to the forum! |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by Savage_Rob on 10/11/06 at 20:06:06 Dynobob wrote:
Okay, that's what I originally thought but when I read that you pull the entire exhaust, I wondered if you were replacing the entire thing. Guess it's necessary since you should replace the header to head crushable gasket. |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by tank_you_jeebus on 02/26/07 at 19:50:25 Looking at Smokey02's reppy it would seem you need to add a spacer in (for brake clearance?), or can you just bolt the SE turnout rail muffler right in place? |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by Greg_650 on 02/26/07 at 20:42:15 Savage_Rob wrote:
I think that it's just because the Trapp can be a "pregnant dog" to get on the header and line up with the muffler bracket. So, it is sometimes easier to just loosen the whole thing up first. |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by smokey02 on 02/27/07 at 09:15:00 Hi tank _you The rail mount turnout muffler bolts directly onto the existing bracket using both bolt holes, but that leaves about 5 inches of open space. Thats why I used a 7 inch adaptor pipe between the back of the header and the front of the muffler. |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by Greg_650 on 02/27/07 at 09:29:13 Savage_Rob wrote:
Wait. No! Sorry, but you don't want to do that. Unless something has changed since I got mine. There is a much cheaper way. It's the same way that I bought mine...and if I remember right Jendesigner did the same thing with hers... Go to this site and send an email to Sivert Raask. They speak perfect English. I bought mine direct from Raask with a bank wire transfer for the pipe, baffle, and shipping. Piece of cake, and the entire cost (over 3 years ago) was less that $300. It arrived in 1 week and I only had to go to the bank. http://www.raask.se/ind-eng.htm http://www.raask.se/c109.jpg |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by Savage_Rob on 02/27/07 at 09:32:22 Greg_650 wrote:
I tried that and Mr Raask simply instructed me to contact his US distributor: OMAR’S CAFÉ MOTORCYCLE INC. |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by Greg_650 on 02/27/07 at 09:53:13 Savage_Rob wrote:
Dammm. I'm batting 000 this morning. Crap. I guess they've changed. Their distributors must have started complaining or something. Sorry. I'm gonna go play with my camera now :P |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by bholly12 on 02/27/07 at 13:28:02 Greg_650 wrote:
Yep I got the same thing too a couple months ago. Makes no sense to have to pay like 400 bucks to the Omar's Cafe people. All your recent pictures are pretty good Greg! You must have gotten a new camera for Christmas :D -Brad |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by thumperclone on 02/27/07 at 13:57:00 Savage_Rob wrote:
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by Savage_Rob on 02/27/07 at 14:03:19 thumperclone wrote:
Nope, that was quite a while before I got the Hard Krome. |
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Title: Re: Question on Exhaust Modification Post by Greg_650 on 02/27/07 at 19:45:02 bholly12 wrote:
No. I wish. I've had this one for 3 years. I'm just being a little more serious about the shots. Thanks. |
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