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Title: Signal Fuse Problem - PROBLEM PERSISTS! Post by Chench53 on 01/07/06 at 12:24:09 Hi all. I had my first ride of the year today and rode about 30 miles. It was cold, but I was happy to be riding. One problem I found was that my right turn signal was blinking double fast, while the left signal was blinking normally. I turned down a side street and pulled over to check all my lights, since I totally forgot my TCLOCS before setting out! :o All were in order, except for the right blinkers: both the front and rear signal blink twice as fast as they should, as well as the right signal indicator. I'm guessing it's just a fuse? I came inside with the MOM to read and warm up, and fuse is all I can think of. So tomorrow, I'll check that. Any other suggestions? Thanks, and Happy New Year to all. Gerry |
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Title: Re: 1st Ride '06: Signal Fuse Problem Or other? Post by Greg_650 on 01/07/06 at 12:50:01 Chench53 wrote:
First, it isn't a fuse. You'd have no lights in that case. Have you changed any bulbs or done anything else? Does the front marker light on the right side work too? |
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Title: Re: 1st Ride '06: Signal Fuse Problem Or other? Post by Chench53 on 01/07/06 at 13:05:38 Greg_650 wrote:
You know, I was thinking that after I posted. I know I had a similar problem in my car. And I can't remember if it was a fuse problem, or a lightbulb problem, but that's what made me think of it. I haven't done anything lately. In fact, I don't think I've ridden Special Ed since early/mid November. He's just been patiently waiting for today. :) I can check the fuse tomorrow, it's under the seat, so that's a simple thing to do. I'll check the lightbulbs too, and if the right need to be changed, I may as well change them all so they're all new. One thing it seems to be about lightbulbs at home. When one blows, they all go around the same time. :D Greg, What do you mean by "front marker light" on the right side? I have only L & R turn indicators front and rear, and the signal indicator on the speedo dial. Both right front and right rear, and the right signal indicator are having same blinking too fast problem. Thanks, Gerry |
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Title: Re: 1st Ride '06: Signal Fuse Problem Or other? Post by Curz on 01/07/06 at 15:08:07 There is only one relay that flashes either the left or right set of lights. If the lefts work fine then the relay should be fine. The rate of flash is determined by the current flow which would change if one of the three right indicators was blown. Since all seem to light I would next suspect a poor connection to one of the two right turn indicators or the dash light. Pull them inspect the sockets for corrosion, replace one bulb at a time to identify which one was the culprit. Lastly you might have a poor connection along the wiring harness. Good Luck! http://suzukisavage.com/images/uploaded/SavElectweb.jpg |
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Title: Re: 1st Ride '06: Signal Fuse Problem Or other? Post by Greg_650 on 01/07/06 at 15:50:02 Yep, that's the schematic from the SSM, and you're right about the relay. It's not the relay. As for the marker light....the front turn signals on the Savage have a running light for normal cruising. They are 3 wire sockets with a dual element bulb, whereas the rear turn signals are just 2 wire sockets with just a single element. Your problem is very similar to one that I have...as you may know, I have a modified rear fender and aftermarket signals. All this required a different wiring setup for my rear signals, and I currently have an open connection in a wire for my right rear signal. This causes my front right signal to blink at the same rate as yours. The only difference is that my rear signal doesn't blink at all unless I reach underneath and wiggle the wire around. It's on my to do list 8) |
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Title: Re: 1st Ride '06: Signal Fuse Problem Or other? Post by Chench53 on 01/07/06 at 15:59:14 Greg_650 wrote:
Thanks for the explanation, and thanks Curz to you too. I will tackle this tomorrow and let you all know how it turns out. Gerry |
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Title: Re: 1st Ride '06: Signal Fuse Problem Or other? Post by Curz on 01/07/06 at 19:29:36 Greg_650 wrote:
Are you now running dual element signals on the back as well? or something in a LED fashion? |
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Title: Re: 1st Ride '06: Signal Fuse Problem Or other? Post by Curz on 01/07/06 at 19:36:17 Chench53 wrote:
It just requires a little extra route planning.....He only makes left hand turns! ;D |
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Title: Re: 1st Ride '06: Signal Fuse Problem Or other? Post by Greg_650 on 01/08/06 at 07:26:01 Chench53 wrote:
Glad that you understand the problem. I hate it when my fingers get rubbed by the tire :P |
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Title: Re: 1st Ride '06: Signal Fuse Problem Or other? Post by Greg_650 on 01/08/06 at 07:29:30 Curz wrote:
Changed my profile photo just for you :) No, they are 2 wire sockets. They used to be with the stock signals, but I couldn't find these type aftermarket lights with 3 wire. My spouse still has 3 wire sockets on hers. These bulbs are halogen. |
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Title: Re: 1st Ride '06: Signal Fuse Problem Or other? Post by Chench53 on 01/08/06 at 12:07:05 I opened the R front signal first and one filament is burned out. I got the bulb out, push and turn. I think I have a spare in my car, I'm sure they're the same. If not, I'll take this one and go to store and get a new one. In the meantime, before I left the bike I tried to put it back for practice, but couldn't get it in. I pushed, but couldn't turn it. Is it same rule: Loosey-Lefty (to loosen, turn left / counterclockwise) Righty-Tighty (to tighten, turn right / clockwises) I wish I thought of that ditty in the garage.... Keep you posted. Gerry |
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Title: Re: 1st Ride '06: Signal Fuse Problem Or other? Post by Chench53 on 01/08/06 at 12:15:57 Chench53 wrote:
Gerry |
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Title: Re: 1st Ride '06: Signal Fuse Problem Or other? Post by sluggo on 01/08/06 at 15:42:11 Chench53 wrote:
do we really need to know about your sex life. :o with practice you'll get better 8) |
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Title: Re: 1st Ride '06: Signal Fuse Problem Or other? Post by Chench53 on 01/09/06 at 17:07:23 LOL, thats a good one Sluggo!! Hey, I looked at the bulb up front, a double filament and I have a spare one which is the same # as on original bulb, # 1157. So tomorrow I'll pop it in and let you know if that's the problem. :D Gerry |
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Title: Signal Fuse Problem persists!! Post by Chench53 on 01/28/06 at 11:23:52 Hey folks, I'm back and still not fixed. It was a few days before I put that bulb in, but no luck. I wasn't sure I twisted it right, but my boyfriend tried too, and no luck it didn't work right. I didn't have time til now, so I put on my detective hat, bought new bulbs altogether to rule out possibility I was putting in bad bulbs again (the others had been in my car a year or :-[ five), and thought about it and here's where I am after putting in new bulb in right front and rear signals. Remember, left signals are all OK... When key turned on, both front amber lights are on, equal brightness. When I put on Right signal, they all still blink double fast, but Right bulb compared to Left bulb is less bright now. So, I took off the Left front blinker amber cover and compared the filaments when blinking. The left (good) front light - one filament is on, when blinking both are on. But, the right (bad) front light, the second filament never goes on, only the original filament starts to blink. I happened to remove the seat to take off the saddlebags, but since there is light, the fuse (we agreed above) is OK, right? And, when the rear blinkers are used, brightness is equal, so that bulb should be OK. My neighbor is a car buff of sorts, said something about a blinker switch. A little disc or something? He said cars have it, maybe bikes too? So, what do I do now, other than go to the dealer and spend $50 on what I am guessing is probably only a $5 fix.... ??? Thank you all so much, Gerry |
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Title: Re: Signal Fuse Problem - PROBLEM PERSISTS! Post by Steve530 on 01/28/06 at 17:11:32 Gerry, Since you mentioned that you had trouble getting the bulb in the socket, it sounds like the bulb socket is the problem. I suspect one of the wires is shorted. Steve |
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Title: Re: Signal Fuse Problem - PROBLEM PERSISTS! Post by necropsy on 01/28/06 at 17:24:55 steve 530 is probably right......... but just to eliminate a bulb error..... have you tried taking out the good left bulbs and installing them in the bad right side and vice-versa? while you have the bulbs out look at the sockets for difference in fit and any arcing/charred contacts. |
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Title: Re: Signal Fuse Problem - PROBLEM PERSISTS! Post by Steve530 on 01/28/06 at 17:27:37 As a matter of fact, I'd swap out the front indicators as a test, just to make sure the problem moves from right to left. Steve |
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Title: Re: Signal Fuse Problem - PROBLEM PERSISTS! Post by Chench53 on 01/28/06 at 18:24:15 well, the bulbs were difficult going in just because fat fingers in little spaces, righty tighty, loosey lefty sort of thing. I don't think that's it, but I can switch left for right. What about the blinker switch? Even my dad said he told me that, but I thought he meant the blinking bulb. I looked in the service manual and there is the blinker gizmo that is what makes things blink, it is called "Turn Signal Switch". That's where I'm thinking, because, before the bulb I thought was broken was removed, only the one filament worked. It didn't look broken tho, after I did get it out. Next bulb did same problem, and this bulb does same problem. It does not affect just the front, it affects all blinking on the right: Front, rear bulbs and signal indicator. Tomorrow I can still change left for right bulbs. Special Ed did get a bath tho, saddlebags off, polished up and spiffy. And I did take a 2 mile spin at the end of the day, just to do it. No MC gear tho: just my boots, jeans and ski jacket, helmet and gloves, So, I was chilly, but the 2 miles was fun. :D Gerry |
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Title: Re: Signal Fuse Problem - PROBLEM PERSISTS! Post by Steve530 on 01/28/06 at 20:49:07 Gerry, It certainly could be the "blinker switch". (I assume you mean the turn signal light switch on the left handlebar.) AFAIK, the turn signal relay supplies current to the indicator lights on both sides. Since the left side works OK, then the relay is not a problem. The turn signal light switch is the first component in the circuit where power is suppplied to either the right or left side. So it is reasonable to expect that the problem lies in the switch, the light socket or the wiring between. Steve |
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Title: Re: Signal Fuse Problem - PROBLEM PERSISTS! Post by diesel on 01/28/06 at 21:48:09 run a solid ground to the quick blinker, that bulb has no ground and is going to ground through the other filement, therefor not enough amperage draw to operate flasher(relay) quick check, small jumper from light to good frame ground, what have you got to lose? I've been wrong before, try it. |
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Title: Re: Signal Fuse Problem - PROBLEM PERSISTS! Post by PerrydaSavage on 01/29/06 at 02:44:13 I had a 1993 Dodge Shadow back in '96/97 and one of the rear turn signals was behaving very similar to your Bike Gerry ... a co-worker said it was likely the bulb wasn't grounding correctly due to the socket being old and somewhat corroded ... he took a bit of tin foil, wrapped it around the base of the bulb and stuffed it back in the socket ... believe it or not, it cured the problem! |
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Title: Re: Signal Fuse Problem - PROBLEM PERSISTS! Post by Chench53 on 01/29/06 at 04:25:28 Perry's foil is easy to do, I'll try that one. diesel, I'm not sure what you mean. A ground wire from inside the light to the frame? to test the circuit. Would that do same as the foil? And, Steve.... LOL, yeah, I guess that's the one. For reason, I was thinking it would be under the seat someplace, but yep, I guess you are right, it's the switch on the left handlebar. for some reason I was thinking of something smaller, more "electronic" in nature, like the way a fuse might be. Well, coffee will be the first (and most important) tool of the day, so I'll report back later today. Thanks everyone. Gerry |
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Title: Re: Signal Fuse Problem - PROBLEM PERSISTS! Post by diesel on 01/29/06 at 22:05:19 still think it's a ground problem, just clip a jumper wire from a good known frame ground to light body, iffin that don't work, you've at least elimated the ground as a possible problem. |
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Title: Re: Signal Fuse Problem - PROBLEM PERSISTS! Post by Steve530 on 01/30/06 at 05:51:11 Gerry, The bulb is grounded through the base. That's why wrapping a piece of aluminum foil around the bulb was suggested. If the base is not making good contact with the base, the aluminum foil acts as a conductive shim. Diesel is suggesting you make sure the socket is grounded. For example, you might want to strip the insulation off a piece of stranded wire and put it in the socket along the base of the bulb. Then run the wire to a good ground. If the flaseher works right at that point, then you have a ground problem. Steve |
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Title: Re: Signal Fuse Problem - PROBLEM PERSISTS! Post by diesel on 01/30/06 at 21:45:37 STEVE: could'nt have said it better myself! |
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Title: Re: Signal Fuse Problem - PROBLEM PERSISTS! Post by Chench53 on 01/31/06 at 19:21:59 Oh, ok I understand what you're saying. The foil was forgotten, and I won't get to do this til next week now, so I'll be ready to report back then. Thanks guys! Gerry |
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Title: Re: Signal Fuse Problem - PROBLEM PERSISTS! Post by sluggo on 02/03/06 at 14:31:07 are signals required in your state? if not, yank em off. cages don't see them anyway. :( |
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Title: Re: Signal Fuse Problem - PROBLEM PERSISTS! Post by Chench53 on 02/04/06 at 05:43:56 Ha ha!! thanks Sluggo! That's about the best advice so far! But here in NY the rule says (according the the AMA site) signals required if manufactured in 1985 or after. Gerry |
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Title: Re: Signal Fuse Problem - PROBLEM PERSISTS! Post by Steve530 on 02/05/06 at 08:49:16 Gerry, Any progress on this problem? Also, I just noticed the odometer readings in your sig line. Looks liek you put 20000 miles on your Savage and 1 mile one the Vstar. Is that right? Steve |
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Title: Re: Signal Fuse Problem - PROBLEM PERSISTS! Post by necropsy on 02/05/06 at 12:16:03 Those were how many miles Gerry put on in '05 The one mile on the vstar was what it came with. when I went to look at the '05 savage it had 0.1 Kilometer. when I went to pick it up it had 5.6 kilometers (I'm assuming safety check) |
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Title: Re: Signal Fuse Problem - PROBLEM PERSISTS! Post by Chench53 on 02/06/06 at 17:06:23 My signature was Quote:
You're right, that did look sort of weird. Corrected signature below. Thanks! I haven't had a chance to finish this up, this week sometime, then I'll let you all know what it was. Thanks, Gerry |
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Title: Re: Signal Fuse Problem - PROBLEM PERSISTS! Post by Steve530 on 02/06/06 at 18:30:50 Oh, know I understand. That's still a whole lot of miles. :) |
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Title: Re: Signal Fuse Problem - PROBLEM RESOLVED! Post by Chench53 on 03/30/06 at 03:32:59 Hi everyone, first I want to thank all of your for your help here. :) I tried the foil, changing bulbs, and as some said here, agreed it must be the signal switch, but life has kept me so busy, I didn't get to do anything about that til this week. Not doing my own mechanics, I never did take it apart other than the lightbulb. So, Tuesday I rode the bike in for my spring tune up, oil change, and whatever else is needed at 24000 miles, plus my NYS inspection. I asked them to check it out for me. They also thought it was the signal switch. I had no appointment, and they didn't get to my bike until Wednesday. As it turned out the signal switch was fine, but they traced the wiring and found a cracked wire somewhere along the circuit that needed fixing. So, all is right 8) with the world again, and "Special Ed" is now in tip-top shape for the riding season. 8) ;D ;D Thanks again, I hope all of you are getting back in the saddles and having fun. Gerry |
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Title: Re: Signal Fuse Problem - PROBLEM PERSISTS! Post by Savage_Rob on 03/30/06 at 10:23:20 Glad to hear SpecEd is back in business! Happy Trails! |
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