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Message started by Tim Krantz on 10/31/05 at 13:57:03

Title: cam chain guide
Post by Tim Krantz on 10/31/05 at 13:57:03

Does the engine have to be removed to replace the cam chain tensioner/guide?

Title: Re: cam chain guide
Post by boyett on 10/31/05 at 21:34:41

No, but I think the head has to be removed to replace one of the tensioners. I replaced the chain in mine without removing the engine.

Title: Re: cam chain guide
Post by Kropatchek on 11/01/05 at 03:29:52

No, the guide can be accessed when the clutchcoverd is removed and the pivoting point bolt has been removed.
You don't even have to remove the headcover.

Greetz
Kropatchek ;D

Title: Re: cam chain guide
Post by Tim Krantz on 11/01/05 at 06:36:01

Thanks for the quick replys. BTW this Savage has only 6000 miles on it. Is this a weak link in this otherwise wonderful small motorcycle?

Title: Re: cam chain guide
Post by Greg_650 on 11/05/05 at 05:45:18

Kropatchek wrote:

No, the guide can be accessed when the clutchcoverd is removed and the pivoting point bolt has been removed.
You don't even have to remove the headcover.

Greetz
Kropatchek ;D

Hey Buddy...are you sure about that? I seem to remember that process a little bit differently.

Title: Re: cam chain guide
Post by Greg_650 on 11/05/05 at 05:46:09

Tim Krantz wrote:

Does the engine have to be removed to replace the cam chain tensioner/guide?

With only 6000 miles, why do you think it needs replacing?

Title: Re: cam chain guide
Post by Kropatchek on 11/05/05 at 09:03:35

Greg_650 wrote:

Hey Buddy...are you sure about that? I seem to remember that process a little bit differently.

Have read in the WSM that the rear guide , attached to the tensioner, has to be inserted from the bottom. I dont know if it will be difficult to insert the upper bolt again.

Hope it works as I must admit, have NOT tried myself,

Greetz
Kropatchek ;D

Title: Re: cam chain guide
Post by Greg_650 on 11/05/05 at 09:25:28

Kropatchek wrote:

Okay. Let's take a closer look. The tensioner is a piece of cake. In this photo, I have this one apart with the cam chain removed. There is a little trick to the tensioner spring if you use a piece of wire, but a snap ring and a 5 MM bolt are all you need to remove it.

On the other hand, the guides are a bit more difficult, especially the rear one with the tensioner mount and the upper bolt that you mentioned. I think the front one will drop out the bottom, but you might have to remove the headcover for the rear one...or maybe just the primary gear.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b277/gmdinusa/ClutchAssy01webcrop.jpg

Title: Re: cam chain guide
Post by Kropatchek on 11/06/05 at 14:44:12

[quote author=Greg_650 link=board=RubberSideDown;num=1130795823;start=0#7 date=11/05/05 at 09:25:28]

Okay. Let's take a closer look. The tensioner is a piece of cake. In this photo, I have this one apart with the cam chain removed. There is a little trick to the tensioner spring if you use a piece of wire, but a snap ring and a 5 MM bolt are all you need to remove it.

On the other hand, the guides are a bit more difficult, especially the rear one with the tensioner mount and the upper bolt that you mentioned. I think the front one will drop out the bottom, but you might have to remove the headcover for the rear one...or maybe just the primary gear.

/quote]

That's a very clear view of the situation, thanks Greg. Must refrase my suggestion: The rear guide needs the primairy gear to be removed.

http://www.ronayers.com/fiche/300_0271/cam_chain/cam_chain.bmp
(can't seem to insert .bmp pictures)
As for the front guide the cylinder head needs to be removed. The top section at a right angle to the guide is squised between the cylinder and the -head.

Greetz
Kropatchek ;D

Title: Re: cam chain guide
Post by Reelthing on 11/08/05 at 04:16:50

Plan to replace the cam chain shortly as I really do not believe the previous owner tended to the oil changes as he should - as the hand written date on the filter was 7 years old when I first got the '95.

While I had it apart the plan was new guides as well - do not mind pulling head cover but sure don't won't to pull the cylinder or head as the engine runs too well.

Of course may as well do the clutch as it slips a little.

So is it the head cover or the head that needs to come off?

Title: Re: cam chain guide
Post by vroom1776 on 11/08/05 at 08:27:18

My cam chain tensioner broke at about 15k miles.

Title: Re: cam chain guide
Post by Kropatchek on 11/08/05 at 15:17:38

Reelthing wrote:

For the front chain guide the head needs to come off. However it rarely needs replacment. The rear chain guide can be replaced when the headcover, the RH engine-cover and the tensioner are removed. Maybe also the primarydrivegear nees to come off. This has to come off anyway when you replace the camchain.

Greetz
Kropatchek ;D

Title: Re: cam chain guide
Post by Tim Krantz on 11/12/05 at 15:49:39

The reason I'm looking to do this is there is a noticable metalic sound coming from around the clutch side area of the MC. Don't do it constantly, but it seems that I can get it to slapping by blipping the throttle a little, then it will start the metalic sound at idle. The MC is not making this sound all the time. Would I be wrong in assuming it is the tensioner gone bad, and not the guides worn on a MC with this few miles. Thanks