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Title: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by Savage_Rob on 10/18/05 at 08:31:30 Michiel posted this in the Technical Corner's thread intended for reviews of mods done. This is a discussion of intended work and/or work in progress and belongs in the Rubber Side Down forum. Quote:
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by Michiel Pielkenrood on 10/18/05 at 10:23:36 I'm sorry for posting this in the wrong section :-/, I was't used to the site yet, I apologize! |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by savage777 on 10/18/05 at 10:24:01 I' d love to get my hands on some forward controls like those that aren't in the hundreds of dollars. |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by Michiel Pielkenrood on 10/18/05 at 10:32:13 I think it's pretty easy to produce them... the only thing you need is a grinder and some steel slabs. The main problem is getting the lines straight. After producing the groundplates, you can just screw on the old parts. The only things you need to ajust are the brake-connectionrod and the shiftrod (if that's what you call them). The footrests are either simple home-made ones or aftermarket universal steps... good luck! Once I've made my own I'll post some photo's and the drawings I've used (if I used any and otherwise I'll make some) |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by mpescatori on 10/18/05 at 15:16:12 Michiel, wonderful project!!! Questions: 1) How do you fit the HD tank to the Savage chassis? I have found one like that but the seller says it's in two halves and needs to be 'connected together' with 'adapters I must make myself' ??? 2) How do you fit the HD speedo and tachometer??? 3) Where did you get the rear fenders? How much is the fibreglass fender? Please let me know, we could be actually thinking of the same mods. ;D Maurizio Rome, Italy |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by Michiel Pielkenrood on 10/19/05 at 01:25:47 Dear Maurizio, Thanks for the compliments! The Harley Davidson FXR gastank is an almost perfect fit, there are only two modifications needed; you have to take a part out of the mounting brackets, because the original ones are too broad, and you have to cut new holes in the rear tank-mount and saw off some steel, because this part is too long, but it's not too much work. Your two-part-tank will probably be almost as much work, you just have to fix new brackets, which isn't too much work, you only need the correct tools. http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-450540.jpg I think this is the kind of tank you're talking about, and it shouldn't be too hard to fix it to your Savage. This set is really interesting! :o ;D I won't be using the tacho and speedo, I'll just use a digital bicycle-speedo. As you see, there will be a gap on the tank where the speedo and tacho were, but I'm getting a big leather tankpad fixed, which runs all the way from the bottom to the top of the tank to cover the hole. To make sure thise doesn't collapse I'll have some aluminium sewn in on top. I saw the rear fender on marktplaats.nl, the dutch ebay.com. There is another fender for sale on this site right now, the yellow one. If you'd like to buy it, please send me an email and I'll give you this guys emailadress. Good luck and please show us some pictures once you're done building ;) |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by lancer on 10/19/05 at 07:43:45 The J&P Cycles catalog has a good selection of mounting hardware for the two piece tank. |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by Aktlinglit on 10/19/05 at 13:11:23 Hello Michael and other; You are on a simliar path that I am regarding a larger capacity tank. I have been reviewing the underside of fuel tanks ranging from HD FX, Sportster 3.5 & 4.5, Suzuki Intruder/Marauder, Bouelvard M50, Yamaha VStar/Roadstar, Kawasaki VN500/700/750/800, QuickBob/EZ Bob tanks to see what might fit on the stock LS650/C40 frame with minimal cutting and welding. Part of the challenge in finding a tank that will fit is the frame that starts out as a single bar from approx. 5.5"" the Y's out to 6" for another 10" giving approx. 15.5" space for the stock fuel tank. The challenge is to find a tank 3.5-5.0 gallon tank that is wide enough 6" at the rear to fit over the frame tubes. Another challenge is the tank mount of which I am considering using a Universial Tank Mount that can be found on ebay or in HD catalog such as Drag Specialities, J&P etc. Another tank mount is the flat side bracket also sold by DS. Next comes the challenge of the infamous speedo change out or relocation. Recently I purchased a speedo cable from Working Class Choppers that screws onto the existing stock speedo cable adding 6", 8" or 10" (I used the 10" extension). See their website for PN. I traded a set of HD buckhorn bars for a mini speedo (no brand name) that has a tripometer. I purchased a handlebar clamp from Parts Unltd pg. 1021 PN DS243803, Y bracket DS243805. I have to option now to run my speedo on the handlebars or if I find a bigger 2 piece tank than I might be able to use the stock speedo, or a VS800 speedo & cup (as some one else did on another forum without photos or follow-up as to how it worked. Another way that I have seen a mini speedo with tripometer mounted was to run a L bracket from under the stock tank off to the right side running the speedo off the stock speedo cable. Anyone looking for a longer speedo cable for the LS650 has had to content with the end that goes into the engine that looks like a notch or key so a universial cable would not work there as far as I am aware. By the way the stock speedo cable fittings are 11mm on top (which married to the cable extension I got from Working Class Choppers and is 14mm at the bottom fitting. Another item I have added were screws for the stock seat so that I can remove the seat without a wrench. I am using Knurled thumbscrew 6MX1.0 PN 0820-0008 (manf. Motherwell Products Ltd. Canada) ordered from Parts Unltd. I am also running fork boots Tucker Rocky either Series 83 $19.95 or Series 58 $15.95 both fit 30-40 mm forks (the LS650 is 38mm) and have 9" t 11" travel. I am running Flanders A3 handlebars Rise 5.5" Pullback 5" CenterWidth 10" Tip2Tip Width 33" and find these to be very comfortable. Other items I am considering trying are a Sportster XL speedo (early 70's) that runs off the transmission. I having been trying to find out if the HD speedo in the dash sold by JC Whitney PN ZX064352N $49 , PN J52-10-B1 Cat# 070969 Classic Muffler 25" $49.99, stock Sptstr muffler 79', HD bars PN 56081-82 $55 R 4" PB 8" CW 8.5" T2T 28.5" I have also looked at the tall sissy bar JCW 01ZX4000N 19.75" tall, mounting bracket 01ZX4002A $45. As you can see I have been doing some research as alot of the members of this forum and visitors have done. Hopefully this information will be helpful. Regards from Alaska. |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 10/22/05 at 10:14:56 I'd like to share a short evaluation with you... I've been driving a Savage for a couple of months now, but I traded one of my Savage's for a Honda Shadow two days ago (October 20th) and drove it some miles. The Savage: + more 'touch' with driving the motor, a better sense of speed, the driver hears a lot of (beautifull) noise from the engine+exhaust, easier to accelerate, takes curves easily, cool, compact motorcycle with it's own touch. - the ride isn't really smooth, but it's a good ride! the Shadow: + it feels more like a 'real' motorcycle, it's smoother and more relaxed, less oil- and gasmileage, a better sound for passer-by's (nicer, prettier) - less sense of speed, the footpegs touch the ground faster, less (beautifull) sounds for the driver I still believe the Savage to be a really good motorcycle. I'm really happy owning the Shadow, which I'll be customizing for the next weeks/months, but the Savage still is wonderfull. Maybe I'll keep both in the end. I think the Savage feels more like driving a motorcycle then the Shadow, it doesn't run like a sowing-machine, it's a real, noisy, shake, rattle&roll motorcycle... One thing has become clear to me these last months. I really want to own a Harley one day. I drove a 2003 Fatboy some weeks ago and it feels like a motorcycle should be. It connects an easy ride with the real thing; shake, rattle & roll. |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 10/24/05 at 03:20:40 I added a little new toy to the collection: an open exhaust. Now I have a question for the know-alls... I heard you smack your valves up using an open exhaust, what should I do to prevent this from happening? It's an open exhaust with a small, broader part for a little compression. Once I know the brand I'll post that too. |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by Ed_L. on 10/24/05 at 06:27:52 Try adding a couple ounces of two stroke oil to the gas every two or three fillups. It will help keep the valves cooler and also keep the slide in the carb lubricated. |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 10/26/05 at 15:38:19 I tried the gastank and rear fender on today. Some people said it would dwarf the cilinder, but I am pretty happy with what I think it's gonna look like! And sorry, I don't have pictures yet, just mounted the tank and fender on a frame-with-engine-and-rear-tire I had in my shed. |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 11/25/05 at 03:16:56 I haven't been working a lot on my Savage lately, but I've done a little work; put on a 5-speed gearbox instead of a 4-speed, tried the gastank and rear fender on (unfortunately the photo isn't too good), put on a new taillight and took of the sissybar. This is what it looks like right now: http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-471932.jpg http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-471933.jpg And this is what it's about to look like once I'm finished (I expect to be done in a week or 2): http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-461872.jpg I'll take some new pictures in a couple of days, to show what it looks like in clear daylight. I'm pretty excited about the result! edit: please don't look at the rear turn-signal lights, I only put them on because I had them and needed something fast (and you can't just put the old ones one in 2 secs.) |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by PerrydaSavage on 11/25/05 at 03:40:22 I am really liking the look of that rear fender! How much trouble was it to install? Can't wait to see more pics! |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 11/25/05 at 04:21:51 Thank you! I don't know yet, it's only a mock. It shouldn't be too much of a problem, but I don't know for sure yet. I think I'll fix it to my stock fender, to make things simple. I'll keep you up-to-dat :) |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 12/11/05 at 15:07:28 Okay, it took a while, but I finally went on working on my Savage. I equipped her with a 5-speed gearbox, put on the new rear-fender with a cat-eye taillight, put on a loud horn, heated handgrips (works great!) and re-polished the forklegs and so on. I also started on building an enginespoiler http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-481487.jpg http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-481488.jpg http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-481489.jpg this is what I want the enginespoiler to look like http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-481490.jpg I hope you like it! The things to do: - mount the 15L gastank - make me some forward controls - polish the handlebarconsoles - give it a new paintjob (I'll put on some "mock" paint during christmas and repaint it correctly this summer) after christmas I'm going to pick up an open exhaust, for the better sound :P ;D |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by jimbrough on 12/11/05 at 15:18:04 Looks awesome, SavageP!! You've got a great look going and I'm jealous! What/how are you making the engine spoiler out of? I've thought of doing that as well...just waiting for a bullet fairing to come in the mail - then i want to re-do my seat...looking to make it into a cafe racer type eventually. good luck! |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 12/11/05 at 15:45:35 hey J, thanks! A friend of mine gave me a plate of sheetmetal, 2mm thick, sized 2 x 1m. First thing is just 'scooping out' the sides, using an electrical jigsaw, after that I want to just measure the size of the part coming on the inside and cut that out. The hardest part will be getting it in the correct shape (or do you say form?). When that's finished I want to just weld it together. I think I'll weld it from the inside and put in a pretty thick weld, so I have some juice for cutting a round edge. Have fun with the fairing! :) |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 12/12/05 at 16:00:46 change of plan: first wanna try making a glasfiber spoiler, less weight, more shape-freedom |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by torque on 12/12/05 at 16:26:29 becareful u dont add to much in front of the engine or it will overheat 8) |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 12/13/05 at 00:56:19 it will only be a small spoiler in front of the gearbox, I think it shouldn't be a problem |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by mmosel on 12/13/05 at 14:14:53 Maybe something like this could be fitted? ENGINE AIR SCOOP FOR JAPANESE MOTORCYCLES (http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Product/tf-VehicleBrowse/s-10101/Pr-p_Product.CATENTRY_ID:2000246/showCustom-0/p-2000246/N-200730528+111+2004+600002006/c-10111) Edit: Fixed link to display better. |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 12/13/05 at 15:58:12 it looks great, but it's too expensive, that's my 50cents. (or what's the expression?) And it's more fun making it yourself. I can always grab an old ZX6R/ZX7R/YZF/TZR/FZR/etc streamline and cut it to pieces. |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by Savage_Rob on 12/14/05 at 05:26:14 The expression is "my two cents worth" but with inflation (and VATs in the EU), you're probably right. |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 12/18/05 at 06:21:45 torque wrote:
thanks for you tip, I actually held that in mind making my spoiler. I just finished it today, now I have to grind, fill, polish and spraypaint it, but I'll have to wait with that till next weekend... here are some pictures: http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-484857.jpg http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-484859.jpg I just don't like that the line didn't work out as planned, I wanted it to be round, but somehow the mould wasn't good enough... maybe I'll make another one during christmas-holiday... |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by torque on 12/18/05 at 06:36:57 i think it looks really good ;) |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 12/18/05 at 06:53:17 thanks ;D I'll redo the little edge while preparing it for paint |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by jimbrough on 12/18/05 at 08:03:27 Cool job, SavageP. I've just been noticing those engine spoilers more and more lately and wondering about them. Gonna look awesome on the bike! Do those things really do anything for the average joe rider or are they just basically to look cool? Good luck with her! |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 12/18/05 at 09:33:43 I don't think they do anything, it's just to look cool and so on. Maybe it will help just a little, but that's not what I made it for. Maybe I'll put some electrostuff in it one day, maybe not. If only that stupid resin would dry... then I could start finishing it :P |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 12/20/05 at 15:48:19 I just found out somebody already painted his Savage the color I wanted to paint mine. But well, maybe I'll do it anyway. It would look like this: http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-486321.jpg http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-486322.jpg except for the bigger rear fender. And I would paint the cylinderheadcovers in the same color. |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by Savage_Rob on 12/21/05 at 06:21:03 I like that a lot. |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by Kropatchek on 12/22/05 at 03:13:34 The widebar as on the German Savage I have for sale Michiel. Greetz Kropatchek ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 12/22/05 at 03:28:52 well, I'm interested ;D tomorrow I may have money again or this weekend, I'll let you know! |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by mmosel on 12/22/05 at 21:46:07 I'm diggin' that color. Bars look interesting too. |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 12/25/05 at 02:51:03 UPDATE 25 december 2005: I fullfilled one of my wishes, the streetfightermirrors have been fixed to the handlebar http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-488659.jpg and with a rear-end of the motorcycle looking like this: http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-488660.jpg http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-488661.jpg Well... call me a happy bloke. Just a few things need to be done: 1. finish the enginespoiler and fix it to the frame 2. buy and install an open exhaust 3. build myself some forward controls Maybe I'll do the paint after that, but I'm still not sure. And as it's winter everything gets really dirty really fast so it's no use, I think I'll wait till spring And a picture to make comparing them easier: http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-488663.jpg This is my Savage with it's little big-single sister (I wanted to say twin sister, but it isn't ;) :D). I just sold the maroon Savage yesterday. What a difference ey? But I'm not sure about if I did a good job removing the beltcover... I think I'll put it back on one of these days... |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by lancer on 12/25/05 at 05:21:47 SavagePielk wrote:
Wow, that is really nice. I don't know if I would go with that color on mine, but it sure looks good. |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 12/26/05 at 06:34:36 http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-489189.jpg http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-489190.jpg |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 01/01/06 at 02:31:49 *newsflash* next tuesday the HD tank will be sold and replaced by a double HD tank (a tank in two parts). But I already picked up the open exhaust. http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-492761.jpg It's not entirely open, there's a cap in the end to make sure it still has enough compression. I hope it'll sound good ;) ;D |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by Ed_L. on 01/01/06 at 15:37:41 Whats That You Say? That Exhaust Is A Bit Loud. Sounds Good, I Still Can't Hear You. What, Open What? Cool. Just joking around, so far a real nice job ;D Happy New Year ;D |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by Greg_650 on 01/02/06 at 08:04:52 Looks like a Raask pipe to me. |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 01/02/06 at 14:59:35 yeah, just looked it up an it is a Raask. Never heard of the brand before... :-[ |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by Mr 650 on 01/02/06 at 16:01:27 ..that high quailty pipe has been mentioned here MANY times ::) [quote author=SavagePielk link=board=RubberSideDown;num=1129649490;start=25#40 date=01/02/06 at 14:59:35]yeah, just looked it up an it is a Raask. Never heard of the brand before... :-[/quote] |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 01/02/06 at 16:15:18 I'm sorry, I'm new here :-[ just found out about this site some... 3 months ago or so, didn't have the time to read it all :P but this pipe is worth while you say? :) |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by Mr 650 on 01/03/06 at 17:32:16 ...Complete junk. I have a complete pipe I will exchange for you. |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 01/04/06 at 04:43:37 what kind of exhaust do you have? And why is the Raask so bad? I'm thinking of changing it anyway... tomorrow my Laser half-open arrives, so I'll just keep the Raask for summer days and the Laser for the every-days work. |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 01/06/06 at 02:28:06 ? |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by Savage_Rob on 01/06/06 at 05:24:41 SavagePielk wrote:
It looks like the language barrier may preclude the use of sarcasm in some instances. To my knowledge, there is nothing wrong with the Raask, except possibly being loud - and that's something you get with most performance exhausts. The quality is supposed to be excellent and the fact that it's a one-piece unit means less chance of leaks and sleeker lines visually. Greg_650 has one and, from what I can tell, he is quite satisfied with it's performance. Take a look at http://www.raask.com/. |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by Reelthing on 01/06/06 at 06:21:09 yeah was just a joke - one of the best pipes out there - it and the supertrap |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 01/06/06 at 15:16:52 ow I'm sorry! I first thought it was a joke, read it again and thought it was serious... ::) I should know by now, having spent this summer in Wisconsin with Americans all around me... but I guess I missed something :P |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 01/23/06 at 03:54:27 anyone have any experience with Laser slip-on mufflers? |
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Title: Re: Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan Post by SavagePielk on 04/06/06 at 00:50:36 a small update; I've replaced the camshaft chain, I'm busy at polishing most of the aluminium parts and the front fork has been taken apart and oil&oil-retaining-rings (is that the official word?). Furthermore I sold my maroon Savage's and bought a 97 Celebration Edition in red and creme. Pic's will come one day, first I'm preparing my Savage for the Easter-ride. |
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