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Message started by Oklahoma_Mike on 08/14/05 at 10:35:57

Title: CHANGE YOUR DRIVING HABITS AND LIVE !!!!!!!!
Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 08/14/05 at 10:35:57

I was driving into work today (Yes today SUNDAY!). It is a dark rainy day. After I got to work I was thinking about the bad driving conditions. This thinking inspired me to start a new thread. I am not trying to scare anyone. I just think with a little awareness we all could change our World, our Country, our State, our City, our Community, our Neighborhood, our Friends, our Family, Ourselves. To do that we need to follow the list I just made just in opposite order!! Most of what I will write is directed at driving in general and not just motorcycles. I often talk with family and friends about driving and accidents. When I do I always talk numbers. I see a change in there face and behavior when they hear the statistics. Remember we are talking about something we on average do 10-15% of the day. Often while doing other things like eating breakfast, talking on the phone or just daydreaming. Most of us are clueless to the FACT that this is the most dangerous thing we will do in our lives and we do it 10-15% of EVERYDAY!!

I implore you to spend a little time on the site below by changing your outlook on driving it may save your life or the life of someone you touch with your input on this subject. Remember the statistics on the site are for deaths and not injury. Far more people are injured!

http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm

Unfortunately in our lifetime most of us will either be involve in or have a family member involve in a SERIOUS accident. Many of the accidents will claim lives. I as well as many have lost ones I love because they or someone else was not paying attention. It is my hopes that we can help ourselves and others to be more aware of our vehicle and the vehicles around us. I lost my :'(dad :'( on a motorcycle when I was young to a person who was simply not involved in driving the vehicle. I say involved because driving is like being married. If you cheat (talk on the phone and such) sooner or later you WILL GET CAUGHT AND YOU WILL PAY THE PRICE. It’s like being married except that it doesn’t have to be till death do us part!!!!

Now I enjoy a beer just as much as the next person :P but something to take note of alcohol is a factor in almost :ohalf :o of all vehicle fatalities! Being stupid with your own life is one thing but thinking about risking other peoples live should send a chill down all of our backs!

Ok I feel better. THANK YOU for listening I officially resign the soapbox. If anyone wants to talk about this off forum email me and we will converse.

diggintaz11@yahoo.com

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Post by torque on 08/14/05 at 11:43:43

Are you trying to say breakfast kills?

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Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 08/14/05 at 11:46:31

torque wrote:

Are you trying to say breakfast kills?

If it is micky D' it will in more than one way!!!!

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Post by sluggo on 08/14/05 at 11:50:03

your words ring true, the only thing you got wrong is this. THERE ARE NO TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS, ONLY TRAFFIC COLLISIONS. all collisions are preventable, they are not accidents, and accident is when you laff and crap you pants. :o

i work with the washington state traffic safety commision, so i am fully aware of the stats.

here's an ironic story. set the way back machine to 1980. i had a series of speeding tickets, all less than 5%percent over the limit, because of this my license was suspended. i drove for three years without so the tickets would clear record. fast forward to three years ago. i joined the traffic safety department, just guess who my boss turned out to be? the guy who put me on probation, then suspended my license.

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Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 08/14/05 at 12:02:07

sluggo wrote:

SOOOO True!!!

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Post by Paladin on 08/14/05 at 13:19:44

I started driving on the public highways in November, 1962. Got my first motorbike in '64. My first sports car in '65 in which I had my first accident (spun out.) My second and last vehicle disabling accident was being rear-ended at a traffic signal in late '66 - early '67. My last actual moving violation that I was cited for was in '65. (the cite in the '80's was bogus, but if it is your word vs. the cop you lose.)

I'm not about to change my habits -- they have kept me out of trouble for quite a while and I like sticking with what has been proven to work.

Statistics are meaningless -- they speak of the averages without regard to individual differences. Your cited page gives the odds of my dying on a pedal bicycle as other than zero. That I do not ride a pedal bike is not a consideration in citing the odds as I am lumped in with everyone else.

The Bell System presents a pyramid of death -- at the bottom are thousands of unsafe acts, topped by far fewer accidents, resulting in even fewer injuries, peaked with a few deaths. Again it is statistics, but this time it relates to everyone. We are all guilty of unsafe acts -- usually because we are in a hurry or because the likelyhood of injury is small or the likely injury will be small.

An unsafe act is a gamble with the odds in your favor; usually you win and get away with the act. Eventually, if you continue with the unsafe acts, you will get caught and you will be involved in an accident.

(I'm ignoring the difference between an accident and a laydown and a collision.)

Once involved in an accident you will be subjected to the possibility of an injury. We can take various measures to mitigate injuries in the event of an accident. When I was transporting my young children I did so in a 5,000 pound 1976 Ford LTD with hydralic rams on the bumpers and steel beams in the doors. This is the class of vehicle often seen outside of bars at 1:30 am -- for a very good reason: the risk of injury in the event of a collision are greatly reduced. You can trade risky behaviour for protection and stay at the same level of risk of injury.

Riding a motorcycle takes away the protection of a cage. *IF* you ride a motorcycle as the average person drives a car your risk of injury is *FAR* greater. The only way to maintain a reasonably low risk of injury on a motorcycle is to (1) wear protective clothing and (2) ride at a far reduced level of unsafe behaviour.

(1) is only partially effective as compared with riding in a steel cage. Which means as a motorcyclist you need to be above average as to defensive driving/riding -- if you wish to avoid an elevated risk of injury.

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Post by Paladin on 08/14/05 at 13:39:13

www.m-w.com defines an accident as: an unforeseen and unplanned event or circumstance. ALternately, an accident is: an unfortunate event resulting especially from carelessness or ignorance.

When it comes to motor vehicle "accidents" they are practically all foreseen. Even if the event is unplanned and results in a lay-down or a collision it was foreseen and thus not an accident in the primary sense of the word.

Using the second sense, being pulled over for speeding is an 'accident'.

Laying a bike down is not alway unfortunate -- it definitely beats having a collision. Depending on circumstances it can be no big deal or expected or deliberate. A lay-down generally involves a gradual slowing to a stop.

You want to avoid a collision -- that is a sudden stop that is usually rather painful. I did one on a pedal bike in '61 (dented the side of a car!) and that was enough.

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Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 08/14/05 at 18:06:09

Paladin wrote:

It may be just me but I don't see your point in all this? So you are saying the terminology I used is wrong that’s nice, but are you saying you disagree? As far as statistics being meaning less. I’ve meet a lot of broke people at the casinos that believe just like you. The only time the statistics lie is when you ignore them. From the day that your were born you are a statistics it is up to you to be the good kind. 8)

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Post by Paladin on 08/14/05 at 21:00:30

The terminology everyone uses is faulty. They say "accident" as if it were not avoidable. 90+% of "accidents" are avoidable.

Statistics are valid only for groups. They cannot say anything about any particular individual. The moment you try to apply statistics to an individual the statistics are meaningless. That is why the quote: "There are lies, darned lies, and statistics."

The purpose of defensive riding is to void the "statistics."

My point is that the "statistics" are about the average driver/rider. If you are not average then the statistics are null and void. If you drink and ride at excessive speed the statistics lie -- you are far more likely to have an injury collision. If you ride sober, obey the speed limits, watch out for the mistakes of others the statistics are a lie -- you are far less likely to have an injury collision.

I do not drink and ride -- not because of statistics, but because drinking impairs judgement and makes riding unsafe. I do not ride at excessive speed -- not because of statistics, but because speed reduces reaction time and increases braking distance and makes riding unsafe. I scan every roadway entering into my path of travel for vehicles that may try to intersect my path -- not because of statistics but because I have seen too many vehicles blow stop signs or signals.

Just out of curiosity, what habits am I supposed to change?

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Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 08/15/05 at 04:20:26

Paladin wrote:

Very good point!

You ask what habits I think you are supposed to change? Those of the vehicles that blow stop signs or signals.

My point is that we seem to be a rather safe group and that safety has a way of spreading if we let it. What it boils down to is that almost everyone wants to live. If we talk about it to our kids, friends and family then maybe one of them will chose not to answer that phone while driving and thus save the life of someone else who’s husband will in turn not go >:(drinking and driving :'( to erase the memory of his wife being killed and thus kill someone else and so on.

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Post by Savage_Rob on 08/15/05 at 06:02:41

I believe this speaks to the demographic of the folks on this site too. We tend not to be the front-wheelie crotch-rocket types and a large number of us are in our 40's, 50's, 60's or even more experienced. To me, the age often says one or more of three things: (1) We've calmed down a bit and take life a little more casually. (2) We've learned we're not immortal and that we heal more slowly than we did decades ago. (3) The fact that we're here means we've either developed some better habits or are lucky and either one is valuable.

I know, it was a slight derailment of the topic but I thought it was relevant.

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Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 08/15/05 at 06:44:49

Savage_Rob wrote:

I think it is very relevant sir. Thank you for your input. 8)

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Post by Paladin on 08/15/05 at 06:51:22

Oklahoma_Mike wrote:

.... What it boils down to is that almost everyone wants to live.....

At what cost?

Several years ago someone asked what is your favorite song. Mine is the opening theme from *M*A*S*H*.

I am going to die. I can choose how I will die, but most likely the how will not be my prefered choice. (Prefered choice is being shot at age 104 by a rightfully jealous husband.)

While I might not choose the manner of my demise, I can choose how I will live. I can choose to engage in risky behaviour. I can choose to enjoy my life rather than extend it at any cost. This is why I ride -- to enjoy what life I have left. I can choose to continue riding as long as I am physically able (not blind or senile.) I so choose to continue riding by riding defensively as I have been trained to do by the U.S. Military and the Bell System and it's broken parts.

Others may choose to enjoy life by riding a bit more briskly than I do. They do so knowing that such behaviour carries a greater risk of an unintended dismount and generally wear clothing so that such a dismount is otherwise uneventual. Or not, accepting that a little loss of skin and a little pain is worth the joy of riding with the wind caressing your skin.

Others may feel that in the event of a collision that would leave them disabled life would not be worthwhile -- and they may choose to ride without a helmet; because they enjoy the feel of the wind. And that joy is worth more than life.

That you, at age 30, hold life as something precious does not mean that I, 15 months shy of 60 with heart problems and fading eyesight, will feel the same. IMO, enjoying life is far more important than life itself.

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Post by Savage_Rob on 08/15/05 at 08:38:47

Paladin wrote:

At what cost?

Several years ago someone asked what is your favorite song. Mine is the opening theme from *M*A*S*H*.

If I remember correctly, it's something like:

The game of life is hard to play
Gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay
And this is all I have to say
Suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I please...

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Post by Paladin on 08/15/05 at 13:23:51

The verse that haunts me is:

The sword of time will pierce our skins
It doesn't hurt when it begins
But as it works its way on in
The pain grows stronger...watch it grin

I am not able to do a lot of what I used to do.

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Post by Mr 650 on 08/17/05 at 12:17:22

Are you saying "you drove better without it" (a license) :)

sluggo wrote:

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Post by Mr 650 on 08/17/05 at 13:16:16

Paladin wrote:

... a 5,000 pound 1976 Ford LTD with hydralic rams on the bumpers and steel beams in the doors. This is the class of vehicle often seen outside of bars at 1:30 am -- for a very good reason: the risk of injury in the event of a collision are greatly reduced. You can trade risky behaviour for protection and stay at the same level of risk of injury.

The old saying goes something like; 'the Lord protects children, drunks and fools'.

Ever wonder why it seems like the odds are against the law-abiding citizen who is killed and the speeder survives on the highway?

Ever do any target shooting, in particular along the lines of high(er) powered, flat shooting varmint stuff and such?
It is amazing the damage a smaller round can impart on a target as it's velocity increases, basically- mass x velocity = energy. Bullit vs. larger orange;
http://www.pulsephotonics.com/gallery/thumbnails/Bullet%20exploding%20an%20orange.jpeg

Two cars traveling at the same speed, the larger car’s mass “wins”. The occupants in the smaller vehicle or bike experience more deceleration, while the larger one continues, at the expense of the other, smaller ones energy.

Now imagine the guy leaves the bar and gets into your LTD (or any “big ride”) vs., a late model “$hit-box” (that has little/no steel and much less mass than the LTD) or bike. What this driver has done, additionally, is increase his potential energy and his chances to impart more death and destruction while protecting himself. Unless the oncoming smaller car has more velocity and can transfer it to the larger one and the smaller's airbags and seat belts all work.
So increasing your mass may not always, but usually increase your odds. Most would prefer to be in the LTD vs. a Volkswagen, in town. However as velocities go up on the highway, faster cars can and do "win".

It does not have to be an "cage"; a motorcycle will do, if the bike's velocity is fast enough, multiple deaths can occur;
http://sandstorming.com/images/pic31556.jpg

"The car had two passengers and the bike rider was found INSIDE the car with them. The Volkswagen actually flipped over from the force of impact and landed 3m (10 feet) from where the collision took place.
* All three involved (two in car and rider) were killed
instantly."
http://www.sandstorming.com/index.php/2005/08/250-kmh-crash-pictures/

The bike/rider was 'successful' in overpowering the car in this case and flipping it. (An extreme example, only one I could find). Who knows had he cleared the car instead of entering it, might have had sufficient time to decel & survive, if no other obstacles, also his mass would not have contributed as much energy, but think the passengers chances would not have improved much.
A larger vehicle will always have more mass, than a smaller one, but it may not always have more energy. 8)
Where is the LTD? Gone w/ $1 gas!
So what do you drive now?
What will we drive w/ $3 gas? or $4?
http://www.kabudle.com/prodimg.aspx?ImageID=B0000AVB7N.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg :'(

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Post by RadarORiley on 08/17/05 at 20:15:28

Thanks, guys for the words to one of my favorite songs. I always try to remember this whenI'm riding:

STUPID HURTS

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Post by Paladin on 08/17/05 at 23:35:25

Mr 650 wrote:

....
Ever do any target shooting, in particular along the lines of high(er) powered, flat shooting varmint stuff and such?
It is amazing the damage a smaller round can impart on a target as it's velocity increases, basically- mass x velocity = energy. .....

Yeah.... But given the same velocity, the large bullet has the greater energy.
Quote:

So increasing your mass may not always, but usually increase your odds. Most would prefer to be in the LTD vs. a Volkswagen, in town. However as velocities go up on the highway, faster cars can and do "win".....
.....

Pretty picture. Meaningless unless you also include a picture of a similar motorcycle that impacted a old full-sized American car at the same speed. Given being struck by that bike -- would you rather be in (1) nothing (2) a V-dub (3) an LTD or (4) a Sherman Tank.

Mass matters. Given similar collisions you are safer surrounded by greater mass. On a motorcycle you are not surrounded by any mass; hence collision avoidance takes on greater priority.

Quote:

Where is the LTD? Gone w/ $1 gas!
So what do you drive now?
What will we drive w/ $3 gas?....

What I drive has no bearing on what is safer in a collision. The price of gas did not matter to me when I was driving the LTD as I considered it to be the cost of insurance.

Getting back to the subject, "CHANGE YOUR DRIVING HABITS AND LIVE !!!!!!!!" Are you suggesting that I get rid of the Savage and go purchase another massive cage that can surround me with steel and air-bags and be safer? Or do you mean I should stop driving defensively and "live" in the meaning of enjoying the thrill of "life in the fast lane"? Which habits that I have developed over the past 40 years of safe driving shall I change?

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Post by Mr 650 on 08/18/05 at 01:02:35

Well OLy-penn just trashed my reply so F-it.

I thought the car vs. bike was sufficint to point out a false sense of security of a "Big Ride".

You can be in a sherman tank but if I shoot at you w/ depleated uranium again you would have a false sense of security. At surface street speed the passengers in the VW would have survived, but the bike was like ballistic-fast. Exchange the 90's WOT-aluminum-framed, crotch-rocket vs. the VW and let's exchange them w/ 60s Electraglide vs. the LTD. You still wanna sit in it while the bagger enters the passenger door at WOT top speed??
Energy is not "meaningless", the faster ya go the more it means. It meant nothing that they were in a cage vs, a bike, the car still ROLLED on impact...sideways after the bike transfered all it's energy to the car.

I don't expect to change your or anyone's driving or lifestyle.
In addition, I was just speculating how gas prices are changing/have changed what is considered "safe". :)
P.S. the local news ran a piece showing the local Vespa dealer cashing-in on gas prices - new Vespas get 65 mpg, & are about 3 grand here. The Vespa riders would be better off on a Savage IMHO.

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Post by dannimal on 08/18/05 at 01:04:46

OK since tracking this post I've been more cautious riding latley. I guess you guys sold me on this one. Just keep reminding us all now and then and you'll make better riders out of all of us eventually. (especially with the pics!)

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Post by Savage_Rob on 08/18/05 at 06:12:30

Personally, I viewed this as simply more information. The more I have, the better decisions I can make - regardless of whatever decisions any of you make. Those are up to you.

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Post by gazab44 on 08/18/05 at 06:29:42

Savage_Rob wrote:

Personally, I viewed this as simply more information. The more I have, the better decisions I can make.

But also don't you think that more informatiom can lead to being a little paranoid.......(or am i smoking too much LOL)

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Post by Savage_Rob on 08/18/05 at 07:54:41

gazab44 wrote:

But also don't you think that more informatiom can lead to being a little paranoid.......(or am i smoking too much LOL)

Okay, two responses come to mind...

"Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me."

"I know I'm paranoid. The question is whether I'm paranoid enough."

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Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 08/18/05 at 09:42:14

Savage_Rob wrote:

Okay, two responses come to mind...

"Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me."

"I know I'm paranoid. The question is whether I'm paranoid enough."

Good Point!! 8)

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Post by DavidV on 08/18/05 at 10:19:42

I'd like to see statistics about the contributing factors to motorcycle accidents and fatalities. It would be interesting to see what percentages were due to bad riding habits such as alcohol use or excessive speed, and what were caused by other factors.

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Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 08/18/05 at 10:25:30

DavidV wrote:

I am intersted in that to but havn't had the time to research it. when I do I will post it. 8)

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Post by Savage_Rob on 08/18/05 at 10:50:45

Paladin wrote:

I started driving on the public highways in November, 1962.

OMFG! You must be older than you look (or maybe you've been doing a bit more of the PhotoShoppin' we've seen from you). You hit the highways in the month prior to that when I was born. Hey, keep it up bro.

Rob

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Post by RadarORiley on 08/18/05 at 14:37:43

Paladin, I have you beat, my Dad had me backing up 18 wheelers when I was 8. (1950) When he came in from a run, it was my job to clean it up and get it ready for the next one out.

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Post by Paladin on 08/18/05 at 17:39:09

DavidV wrote:

The Hurt Report (http://www.magpie.com/nycmoto/hurt.html), outdated, but likely still mostly true:

Quote:

7. The failure of motorists to detect and recognize motorcycles in traffic is the predominating cause of motorcycle accidents. The driver of the other vehicle involved in collision with the motorcycle did not see the motorcycle before the collision, or did not see the motorcycle until too late to avoid the collision

THEY WILL NOT SEE YOU no matter what you do. I trust a car as far as I can throw it -- and I don't know about you but I can't throw cars very far. ALways assume that a driver does not see you until you get a positive reaction.

Quote:

20. Motorcycle riders between the ages of 16 and 24 are significantly overrepresented in accidents

DUH!!! Youth is significantly overrepresented in automobile accidents also. The only difference is that a car offers a little more protection in the event of an accident.

Quote:

27. Almost half of the fatal accidents show alcohol involvement.

It cannot be stressed enough -- any alcohol impairs your judgement and ability. With the protection of a car around me I am willing to drive with some impairment, a 24 ounce Foster's at the Outback for instance. I will not ride a bike with any alcohol impairment -- you crash a bike you *will* hurt. More true as you get older.

Quote:

29. The typical motorcycle accident allows the motorcyclist just less than 2 seconds to complete all collision avoidance action.

You want to avoid that 2 second collision avoidance action. Look well ahead. Anything within 4 seconds in front of you is a danger. You should be watching ahead to the limits of visibility for developing situations.

Quote:

35. Motorcycle riders in these accidents were significantly without motorcycle license, without any license, or with license revoked.

Reckless people inflate the accident statistics.

Quote:

37. The likelihood of injury is extremely high in these motorcycle accidents-98% of the multiple vehicle collisions and 96% of the single vehicle accidents resulted in some kind of injury to the motorcycle rider; 45% resulted in more than a minor injury.

Repeat it often -- you want to avoid an accident. They tend to hurt.

Quote:

43. Seventy-three percent of the accident-involved motorcycle riders used no eye protection, and it is likely that the wind on the unprotected eyes contributed in impairment of vision which delayed hazard detection.

This is interesting. I voted for Ronnie Ray-guns largely because he stated he was against mandatory helmets, but supported mandatory eye-protection as the eye-protection prevented accidents involving others.

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Post by Paladin on 08/18/05 at 17:52:56

Savage_Rob wrote:

No photoshopping. But if you want a better picture: BLEAH!! (http://www.dslretorts.com/Paladin/archives/000418.html) I started driving on my 16th birthday, fully legal even tho' I have never taken a driving/riding test. Secret is that you are only as old as the woman you feel -- which makes me 41.

The Bike helps a lot. It is difficult to dwell on job stresses while wheeling thru traffic. The hour ride home from the Home Depot two miles away is also good. I don't know if it was here or elsewhere, but someone posted that you never see a motorcycle parked at the psychiatrist 's office.

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Post by Paladin on 08/18/05 at 17:59:30

RadarORiley wrote:

Paladin, I have you beat, my Dad had me backing up 18 wheelers when I was 8. (1950) When he came in from a run, it was my job to clean it up and get it ready for the next one out.

My hat's off to you. Anyone that can back up an 18 wheeler is good. I can back up a trailer without a lot of back and forth -- but I do so with several get-out-and-looks.

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Post by Reelthing on 08/18/05 at 18:03:03

on the eye protection - I do see a lot of people without any - carry 2 - clear if starts raining or night - either mirror or red tint the rest of the time - impact resist wrap around safty glasses. Cheap sun glasses.... I'm hearing a tune...

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Post by Paladin on 08/18/05 at 18:15:43

Eye Protection: I got two pair with foam around the eyepieces to block the wind -- smoke and clear. Had sand blowing off a truck on the freeway yesterday.

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Post by Mr 650 on 08/19/05 at 00:46:35

Savage_Rob wrote:

"I know I'm paranoid. The question is whether I'm paranoid enough."

When you trade your Savage in on a '73 LTD, then you'll know. ;D

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Post by DavidV on 08/19/05 at 06:08:39

Paladin - Thanks for the stats. That helps quite a bit.

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Post by Savage_Rob on 08/19/05 at 07:11:58

Mr 650 wrote:

When you trade your Savage in on a '73 LTD, then you'll know. ;D

/shudder