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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1122929976 Message started by CAPTAIN-DISASTER on 08/01/05 at 13:59:36 |
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Title: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by CAPTAIN-DISASTER on 08/01/05 at 13:59:36 Would like to hear feedback & comments of those who have done the 36mm Amal carb conversion. How did bike respond after the conversion? What modifications were necessary to complete the job? Did you connect to stock airbox? If so did you use stock parts? All in all any comments or input concerning this conversion. Please email me at DARTHMAN@HOTMAIL.COM rather than to consume resources on the sight. Thanx, Steve J. |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by Savage_Rob on 08/01/05 at 14:21:21 Actually, I think the rest of us might like to see others' results with this conversion to help us decide on whether to do it (and possibly make the process easier). I'm sure Lancer would find any feedback useful too. |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by jrm8486 on 08/02/05 at 11:05:21 I did this conversion and it was easy and my bike runs 10 times better. I have pics posted on bikepics under ew8486 or suzuki S40 . |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by Steve J. on 08/05/05 at 17:08:47 What throttle cable did you use? The one that came with mine the 90 degree carb end hits the frame rail no matter how I position it preventing it from seating properly in carb. |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by bobo383 on 08/05/05 at 19:48:11 I used a 38mm carb, but here's the posts I did shortly thereafter. One Amal post: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;num=1116637250;start=21#21 AND comments on Lancer's sale post: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=Market;action=display;num=1115223163 I loved it, and will do it again when it's time to fire up the project Savage. Might go with a 36mm if the motor is stock at that time, though. However with some compression and a cam, 38 would be fantastic! |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by Steve J. on 08/06/05 at 02:18:14 Appreciate replies. Have not seen any feedback on the throttle cable on 36mm. Think 38mm may have slightly different outside dimensions. Which result in carb end of cable clearing. No matter how I position carb end hits frame rail. Preventing cable from seating properly in carb. What about the earlier style throttle cable? Although I imagine there was problems w\ that & reason why we have new style. |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by bobo383 on 08/06/05 at 05:21:34 Mine was the older cable, and I believe a few folks didn't like the way it fit into the handlebar throttle housing. Didn't bother me any. |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by mikedasavage on 08/06/05 at 18:53:38 my throttle cable sucked :D sorry lancer 8) but it did. I have a 87 savage and i had to buy a the switch from a 99 because the 87 has a different design. I also have the same problem where the cable doesn't sit on the the top of the carb right. ( i got the new cable) other than that i love the carb. I just finnaly got it adjusted correctly today. I had been running it with the needle on the center. I put the needle all the way up (the tab set to the lowest setting) Per Bobo instructions. Messed with the idle and air until i thought it sounded perfect. AND MAN WAS IT POWERFULL still a little backfire but i like the way it sounds 8) I hit a little over 30 in first 55 in second 65-70 in third and well i didn't make it to fourth had to slow down as i wasn't on the highway (only have four gears) It sounds louder. the k&n filter looks great. Its got great pickup. runs Fast. I dont know for sure if its correct yet because my screaming eagle was already blue from the stock carb so i need to clean it up and see if it comes back, also i need to check the plug to see if its getting charred. I have an Iridium plugged but i haven't installed it yet because i wanted to do one thing at a time plus i need to make sure i have the carb adjust correct. The installation was a snap. Two screws that hold it into the engine. Way Simple. it was more work to get the rear fender off. |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by lancer on 08/06/05 at 20:25:34 So basically, the extent of the problem you had was the position of the throttle cable in relation to part of the frame, making it difficult to moun,. and the throttle end of the cable being a different design. I am sorry this caused frustration for you. Virtually every thing I do on my Savage ends up requiring changing, adapting, or modifying something to make it fit and function. This is something we have to deal with since we have a Savage, because no one makes performance parts specifically for the Savage. It is part of the Savage life. And this is something I want to try to help correct, so that we will have parts that are made for the Savage specifically. There is certainly some trial and error involved in the process of creating those parts, but that is part of the learning curve so it is to be expected. I am grateful for ALL of the feedback, that is the only way I know if I am doing things correctly.....like the problem you had with the cable Steve, I would not have known the 80's models have a different setup on the hand throttle. RIDE WELL |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by steve j. on 08/07/05 at 03:44:58 Hey Mikedasavage, Can you tell me what cable you finally ended up using & where you got it? It works w\ '99 throttle? Thanx, Steve J. |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by mikedasavage on 08/07/05 at 09:23:26 lancer wrote:
I dont think you did , but if you did please dont take it the wrong way. Although i was a little frustrated the end result was worth it. Plus FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO KNOW Lancer is an Excellent Ebayer. I sent him a message if he could call me, he called me up spent a good 20 minutes on the phone helping me troubleshoot. and the product was great. it just seems that for my application the cable was bad. but like you said everything requires a little fabrication. It works great and i'm happy with it. but to maybee help other in their efforts it doesn't sitt very well on top of the carb. there is a little box that hooks into the frame under the tank and that seems to be what gets in the way the most the cable kinda lays on its side under the tank instead of sitting up on top like an L. now for part two Quote:
I am using the newest cable Lancer got for them. I still haven't gotten the 99 throttle i'm just guessing it will work because when i spoke to Lancer he said he had i believe a 97 and it had that design so i'm guessing the design changed. the switch will be here hopefully on wednesday. the cable works there with the old switch it just doesn't bolt in so when you play with the throttle the cable moves around kinda loose but it doesn't affect performance or giving it gas. just looks odd. looks like its falling apart ;D let me know if you need anything else i'll be glad to help. |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by mikedasavage on 08/08/05 at 21:21:16 got the new ignition switch today and i haven't installed it yet but i can see that its going to work correctly. it is different and has the screw piece for the custom throttle cable. Now the only issue is the throttle cable on the actual carb but that doesn't seem to be a problem anyway very happy now because i got a new good looking switch for $9 bucks and a good fit for my carb. So heads up on all the older savage owners, your gonna want to get a new switch assembly with your new carb. |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by steve j. on 08/09/05 at 06:07:46 So as I understand it the carb end of cable still does not fit properly? Has anyone come up with a cable that fits properly? |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by Savage_Rob on 08/09/05 at 06:40:42 steve j. wrote:
Actually, if I'm reading this correctly, the cables DO fit properly on all but the older (86 and 87 models) bikes. Is that correct? |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by Steve J. on 08/09/05 at 10:10:32 It is the carb end that does not clear frame rails. It appears throttle end different on earlier models. No mattter how it is positioned it does not fit properly. It needs to be altered or replaced with different style. I was under impression cable was designed specifically for later Savage. That is reason I purchased a kit. Bolt on - No fabrication. Either I'm doing something wrong or it is a design that does not work. |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by mikedasavage on 08/09/05 at 10:29:25 ok there is no fabrication required on the carb end. just lay the cable down. it works the same its not going to affect anything the cable still passes smoothly. and even with the cable hanging on the switch side it still works fine just didn't look right. the part on top of the carb hides in the gas tank so it doesn't affect looks or perfomance and the part on the switch just requires a later model switch i dont know what year they started but maybee the people in this forum can help. i'll start a new post on it. ooo one more thing on the right side of the carb there is a little valve cap you can get a few from the auto parts store for about $2 i recommened this just in case yours busts. when i first installed the carb i messed with it and i think i slid it on to hard causing it to wear. so last night my carb was shooting gas out the right hand side of the carb. Stopped at the auto parts bought the little cap and problem solved. Like I said I think this was my fault for fiddiling with it in the first place and i doubt it will happen to anyone else but for $2 better to be safe than to have gas squirting :D |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by mikedasavage on 08/09/05 at 18:10:37 Ok more good and bad news. Always keep in mind no matter what you will always need a little fabrication. Went to put on the the new switch. First thing i noticed was that the brake lever switch was different. I didn't think i had one but i realized what that was :D anyway its different and i never had it working before so i pulled that whole assemble. Second the swith on the inside has a little tab. I guess the newer handle bars have a little hole where that little tab lines up and sits in my handle bars have no such hole so i got a pair of pliers and squeezed until i broke it the best i could now the switch sits flatter on the bars well acutally it fits perfect now. Problem number three. GUESS WHAT 87 and 99 SUZUKI ARE NOT THE SAME ;D the main plug is completly different well while trieng to figure what to do i broke the solder from one of the wires on the old switch so unless i was gonna solder i was going to have to make the new one work. So i followed the wires i needed did some splicing and connected my stock plug to the 99 switch and hooked it all up. MY BIKE BLEW UP..... ??? j/k everything worked great. turn on the throttle cable sits nice everything looks good. I'm a happy camper. Except the right side looks so much newer than the right side hehehehehe :D So to sum it up, 1 ) different brake switch but i dont use so i didn't care. 2) need to sand down or break off little tab inside switch 3) different plug so you need to splice some wires Took me about 30 minutes to get it all done. and I LOVE IT. |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by grail21 on 08/10/05 at 07:15:38 Mike I have an 87 as well and came across the same issue with the throttle mount. My thought was to actually drill and tap a new hole into the back of the switch - doesn't seem to be anything on the otherside - and just mount it that way. I think that would solve the problem. I haven't had time to try it yet because because I've been waiting for some other parts, but I'm hoping to get to it soon. Although, if this week has been any indication work wise, I might not get to it till next week. |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by mikedasavage on 08/10/05 at 08:01:34 i think it should work to drill it in, but i dont think its as flat to do that, I dont think it will be perfect but should work and prolly alot easier than what i did. and now that the cable sits firmly on the switch. it somewhat sits well on top of the carb. i dunno but i'm very happy |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by mikedasavage on 08/10/05 at 08:10:16 Ok the everybody gave us their info. if you have a 96 or older its a different assembly. I'll shoot an email to lancer maybe he can make a custom cable for the 96 and older models. i can send him my old switch assembly and cable to see if that helps. |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by Steve J. on 08/11/05 at 02:24:40 After all this the carb end of throttle cable still fits poorly? |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by grail21 on 08/11/05 at 08:49:51 When I go to do the drill and tap I will take pictures of the process so that folks who get this kit and have older models will have some sort of visual reference. Unfortunately I probably won't get to this till next week, but as soon as I do it, I will post em. |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by mikedasavage on 08/11/05 at 12:33:51 no i dont think it fit poorly i think i got it to work good kinda hard to tell as it sits under the tank but i think its finally just right. It would help if the L part was a bit shorter. but anyway, mine looks great works great, man i fly on that thing. |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by DavidV on 08/11/05 at 13:12:29 My 2000 is stock, and the cable was tough to reinstall at the carb end. There almost wasn't enough room. Next time I'll try to attach the cable while the carb is off the bike. So even a good replacement might be tough to fit. |
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Title: ?Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by Steve J. on 08/12/05 at 02:51:34 It is apparent that others beside myself have experienced a problem w\ the way the carb end of cable fits carb. Has anyone come up with a solution to the carb end of cable fitting poorly to carb ? |
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Title: Re: 36mm AMAL CARB CONVERSION Post by DavidV on 08/12/05 at 06:56:19 Steve J. Sorry if my post wasn't clear - I even had some trouble re- installing the factory cable to the factory carburetor. So for me at least (who doesn't work in a bike shop) it wasn't easy. I think Mikedasavage has it right. The sweep of the cable housing elbow gets in the way. Of course, you need that elbow, and the frame tube is right there, so things get a little tight. It eventually works. I doubt that any aftermarket cable would be better, just because it's tight quarters. |
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