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Title: Sportster muff install issues - feedback please! Post by magistermatt on 07/19/05 at 06:17:43 Hello everyone, I began the sportster muffler installation on my savage the other day. After removing the exhaust pipe I had to hack-off the Jardine which was welded on. Figuring getting the new muffler welded on was my best move I test fit it onto the header pipe, marked it up for alignment and went off to a local muffler shop. They welded it up no problem. Only after re-installing it and firing the bike up did I notice a few isssues. The pipe is now pointing more inward toward the bike, shooting exhaust gasses directly at the rear tire/rear brake linkage bracket. The rear brake linkage wire is also now touching the muffler. I'm assuming having hot exhaust blast at my rear tire is not a good thing. The rear brake linkage has always been in the line of fire of the Jardine (and coated in a nice black powder) so that's not a huge concern of mine but I'm unsure if having the wire touch the mufffler is a good thing. So now what? I have not affixed the muffler to the bike yet but was going to drill a new hole to attach the bracket. I can only think of 2 options for me as again I believe I should get the exhaust pointed away from the tire. Do I try and bend the header pipe to angle it away from the bike a bit and is that even possible? Or do I muscle the pipe so it points out a bit when I attach it to the bracket, which seems possible. I would be concerned of undue pressure this would put on the pipe as a whole and even the strain it would put on the juncture where the header pipe attaches to the cylinder head. Other suggestions would be appreciated. Also should I use some sort of gasket/sealent at the head when I reattatch the bracket? Thanks, Matt |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Savage_Rob on 07/19/05 at 08:21:04 See this thread. (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;num=1113366276;start=1#1) There is a gasket for each end of the header and I recommend you pick 'em up. Leaks can cause nasty backfires. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by boyett on 07/19/05 at 17:24:23 On mine, I cut a v-shaped notch out of the pipe between the pipe and muffler and bent it to where it should go, and re-welded it. Others have purchased a small angle adapter from an autoparts store and put it between the pipe and muffler. - Jim in Santa Rosa, CA |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by DavidV on 07/20/05 at 20:34:04 I got an adapter made at a local muffler shop, but forgot to have them put the bend in it. My brother & I put the adapter in a pipe vise and heated it up with an acetylene torch. It only took a few minutes to get the bend right. An 8" chrome heat shield covers it up just fine. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by magistermatt on 07/21/05 at 08:21:58 In my excitement to get the bike back on the road I overlooked the slight outward bend needed. I'm just unsure how my rear tire will respond to the constant heat/exhaust blast or even if it would be an issue. For safety sake I'll take it back to the muffler shop and see what they can do for me. Don't want to increase the chance of my rear tire blowing on me. My used jardine might be up for grabs in the near future as well as the other sporty muff (I got it in a pair). The Jardine was just too loud for me, it actually made my right ear ring if I didn't wear earplugs. Thanks, Matt |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Savage_Rob on 07/21/05 at 09:13:36 At the very least, your spokes will always be dirty. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by lcs151 on 07/21/05 at 12:53:17 I just bent the linkage bracket towards the tire, away from the pipe. much easier than trying to bend the pipe! |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by GaThumper on 07/21/05 at 13:53:43 Read this thread and give some thought to getting an angled piece of pipe that gets you away from the brakes and tires and will make the whole exhaust system about the same length as the stock one. I would not go bending parts on a bike just to make a muffler fit, but that's just my personal opinion. Here's part of the thread: Further instructions fro Hal: To High Plains Thumper: I measured the offset angle of the stock muffler with a protractor at about 10 degrees. Then I took the muffler and the header to the muffler shop and told the man to bend me a piece of 1-3/4" tailpipe to about 10 degrees. He did this and cut the pipe to 6" long, with the bend in the middle. He had to flare out the header end with a belling tool so it would fit over the header, which was 1-21/32" in diameter, not the standard 1-5/8". I then took the plumbing home and installed it on Bronson, using a quick-setting exhaust system sealer on the header end of the adapter, and 2 stainless hose clamps on the muffler end. The U-bolt muffler clamp which I had originally installed was too bulky to allow for a nice flush fit for the Cobra heat shield which I put on later. Read about the rear muffler bracket in my original post. The installation with the new chrome heat shield looks very professional! It has the sound I wanted, so I will not drill holes in the baffle! Stroker Hal Thread link: http://www.heise-workstations.de/ls650/Fragen/messages/46650.html Check out Ed L.'s install - looks great and no issues with exhaust on brake cable, spokes, or tire. I'm about to do mine, and that is how I want it to look and function. http://predator.bikepics.com/pics/suzuki-savage-02-bikepics-390887.jpg http://www.bikepics.com/pictures/390887/ Some before & after pics - http://www.bikepics.com/members/backroadrider/02savage/ |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Ed_L. on 07/21/05 at 16:01:41 I used Hal's instructions for the sportster muffler installation, the only change made was using a longer(10 inch) adapter. For extra support I welded some flat stock into an "L" shape to bolt the muffler mounting tab and the stock mounting bracket. Ride Safe, Ed L. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by mikedasavage on 07/21/05 at 21:37:19 i used bobo's instructions and used the car clamp that worked great. but i didn't mount anything into frame i was just holding the pipe muff clamp. it started bouncing and hitting the breakline. i pulled off the pipe and took the stock and the new screaming eagle to the local midas i had the guy remove the mount with the two bolts on the stock pipe and weld it in the same position on my screaming eagle. now it mounts straight into the stock exauhst hanger. Works GREAT. and only cost me 20 bucks |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by shawn_b on 07/21/05 at 22:58:14 mikedasavage can u take a pic of the pipe word just don't do it ??? ??? ??? ::) 8) :o thanks shawn |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by mikedasavage on 07/22/05 at 08:29:04 i was gonna take pics before installation but i was so busy and i needed to be somewhere and the bike is my only ride so i just slapped it on real quick. i'll see how the pics come out with it installed. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Greg_650 on 07/22/05 at 10:22:07 Just my opinion, BUT I DON'T GET IT!!! If you try to make cheap modifications to your bike, you will have cheap looking results. Personally, I don't know why people have to be so impatient, that they can't save up twice as much money (2 - 3 paydays?) and buy something properly designed for their bike. Shoot, just pass on the next 10 Happy Meals or turn off your cell phone for a while.... All throughout this forum people talk about Trapps, Jardines, Macs, and Raask pipes and still for some unexplained reason people have to run out buy a used muffler that even the Harley guys don't want. It almost seems like people would buy a pipe at the Dollar store if they carried one... In my opinion this is nothing more than...(commonly used but politically incorrect phrase), and it certainly doesn't increase the value of your ride. I know that a true Harley or Gold Wing rider would never do this to their bike...so why do Savage owners? BTW - I'm getting ready to advertise a used header pipe on eBay if anyone needs one. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by shawn_b on 07/22/05 at 10:40:34 how much for it and what shape is it in is it rust free :-/ shawn |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Greg_650 on 07/22/05 at 10:45:52 shawn_b wrote:
I'm gonna try to take some pictures of several bike parts soon. There is a little rust on the inside of the curve in the pipe next to the frame downtube (....which is why I so much like the chrome quality of the Raask.) However for someone that has welded something to their stock header, it is probably an improvement ::) |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by mikedasavage on 07/22/05 at 10:55:54 i dont understand Greg you say harley riders dont even want screaming eagles on their bikes? i thought screaming eagles were a nice item to put on a harley. And as far as modifictations go. Why would i spend $300 on something that someone custom designed to fit the braket when i can do the same thing for $20 except my doesn't have a name brand. and it looks and sounds great. the guy who custom made it took the same ideas and made it one piece. and i'm considering welding the screaming eagle on to avoid leaks but right now its no different than having my stock one since the stock one was held in place by a clamp and the exauhst hanger. and you dont need a bulky heatsheild you can get a nice thin one from jcwhitteny for $17. and there a good thing to have. especially if you ever take a cruise in your shorts. Oh but wait that something else i do wrong along with not wearing gloves a helmet or a jacket. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by shawn_b on 07/22/05 at 11:07:46 hey i cruise in shorts with my jacket gloves and helmet with gym shoes on ;) shawn |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by magistermatt on 07/22/05 at 11:16:08 Greg_650 wrote:
I for one care about one thing above all others RIDING! I'm not in this game for looks nor do I care what HD or Goldwing riders do or do not. Yes I had a stock sportster muffler welded onto my header and no it doesn't look like garbage. I took off the Jardine (which came on the bike when I bought it) because it was too loud for my tastes. The sportster muffler mod seemed like a very reasonably priced and fairly easy to execute alternative to all my other options. I came to this forum seeking advice on my issues, that is all. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by shawn_b on 07/22/05 at 11:18:44 do you what to get rid of that Jardine ??? shawn |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Greg_650 on 07/22/05 at 11:21:55 mikedasavage wrote:
The reason that you can buy a Screaming Eagle pipe so cheap is that most self respecting HD riders (an oxymoron?) jerk the darned things off before they even leave the showroom. Why would you spend that much money? I'd bet you have more invested in your cell phone. Hey, it's all a matter of experience and what you expect. I wouldn't buy your bike with that on there....sorry. What I'm reading here is that people are only experimenting with customizing their bikes, but not really serious about it. There is a big difference between doing it and doing it right. Having a modified bike is not the same as a customized bike. For now that's my opinion, but I may change my mind when I see an issue of Orange County Choppers that includes a trip to Midas. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by mikedasavage on 07/22/05 at 11:33:48 most of us dont have welding equipment at home. and for one project most of us aren't going to buy it. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Greg_650 on 07/22/05 at 11:41:55 mikedasavage wrote:
Good point. However, I've never needed a welder to install a motorcycle muffler anyway. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by magistermatt on 07/22/05 at 12:11:58 shawn_b wrote:
I want to ride around on the new sporty muffler for a week or so to make sure I am sassified with it before I get rid of the Jardine but I do envision it being up for grabs in the near future. I also have another sportster muffler that i'll be looking to get rid of (that is if anyone else want to "de-value" their savage - not my opinion though). If you are interested shoot me an email with what you're looking to spend and i'll snap a couple of pics of it for you and let you know a little more about it. Oh and by the way everyone- don't feed the trolls! http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolls |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by shawn_b on 07/22/05 at 12:16:04 lol |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by mikedasavage on 07/22/05 at 12:33:32 now while i find that extremely funny i feel that i somehow fall in that category. ;D FEED ME |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Greg_650 on 07/22/05 at 13:23:28 magistermatt wrote:
I thought that part of your problem was that you didn't like the way you had the muffler welded on the head pipe since it was toasting your rear brake. Since I misinterpreted what you needed, I apologize. Would you have preferred that I suggest a good brand of hack saw? |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Greg_650 on 07/22/05 at 13:47:10 mikedasavage wrote:
Sounds like Godiva here.... ::) Where do you live that a helmet is optional? SC? BTW - the last time I wore shorts to ride, my wife was with me on her then GZ250. We stopped at the pump at a gas station to fill up. She pulled up on my left side so that we could fill at the same time. Like an idiot, I swung my leg off my bike, and while I was reading the gas pump and screwing with my helmet, I backed right into her pipe..... I spent 3 weeks with Neosporin and blistering oozing skin on my leg....it sucked. After 30 some riding years, this old dog finally learned a new trick. Wear pants. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by mikedasavage on 07/22/05 at 14:16:06 Ride in texas. yea i burnt my darn leg too i was putting the bike up and wasn't paying attention. leaned it to make sure the kickstand would clear but it was no big deal. it had already cooled for a bit before i was putting it up. Just a little burn. i got aloe in the house. and i dont think its the weld that is messing up his brake its the fact that its not attached to the exauhst hanger or drilled into the frame like bobo showed in his pictures. i had the same problem when it got hot and i would hit a bump the whole thing would rattle and it would hit my brake line almost felt like the line was coming loose. once i put welded the two bolts on the screaming eagle and bolted it to the exausht hanger it works great. i'll try to get some pics up tonight i promise. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Greg_650 on 07/22/05 at 15:07:49 This is my muffler bracket. Since I installed the Raask I thought that I would dress it up a bit with some ornamental holes (it's more visible anyway). Plus the Raask only needs one mounting hole so I shortened it by removing one hole. I also cut off the part of the bracket that goes across to the other side of the frame....the flat part underneath the bike that some people use to jack up the bike. It is useless anyway... http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b277/gmdinusa/MufflerBracket03web.jpg |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by mikedasavage on 07/22/05 at 16:00:25 wow that looks great. mine is all rusted I never even thought to paint it since its not visible. i use that same bracket with my screaming eagle. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Ed_L. on 07/22/05 at 16:33:49 Since it is my bike that has the sporty muffler on it and seems to be getting dissed I'll explain why I made the modification. The stock muffler that comes on our bikes s-ucks, the one on my '02 looked like c-rap with scraps and marks from steel wool. I was able to trade some extra stuff for a sportster exhaust system and used one muffler for my bike. The bike runs and sounds better and the conversion cost under 25 dollars. I don't think my cheap modification gives cheap looking results, IMHO the bike looks better and runs better than stock. It is not the parts you use, it's how you use them. If it makes the bike run and look better I would bolt on a muffler from a Hyundi or a Mack Truck ;D I disagree with a lot of the modifications and customizing discussed on this board but at least have enough sense to keep quite about it. Maybe some others should follow that lead!!!! Ride Safe, Ed L. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by DavidV on 07/22/05 at 22:49:13 I just finished the Sportster muffler install, and it looks and runs just fine. Sure, there's no standard kit to do it, so individual results will vary, but it's a bargain job that doesn't have to look like one. The Screamin' Eagle, however, will take awhile to noodle out. Can't get the bracket & the turnout angle to work together on my bike yet. The Sportster was easier since it was cigar-style. Besides, my stocker was done, and the factory part was way overpriced. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Greg_650 on 07/23/05 at 08:25:47 Ed_L. wrote:
I didn't think that sense was the issue in this discussion about modifications. Are you stating that it is senseless to have a civilized arguement, disagreement, or impassioned discussion about motorcycles? Maybe I don't have enough sense to understand.... From the pictures, without detailed written description, your bike and it's modifications do appear very good. Your bike doesn't appear to have a Midas installation either. It looks well done from what I can see. Do you have any close-ups of the muffler attachment to the header, the mounting bracket and the heat shield? Some of those may be infinitely helpful for others wanting to do the same as you. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by mikedasavage on 07/23/05 at 08:42:00 allright what is it with the midas crap? >:( 8) First off they didn't install it they just did a small weld job so that i didn't have to go out and buy welder. In addition you haven't seen any pictures to judge. Furthermore when you bought your stock savage did you look at your stock muffler? or have you looked at most mufflers? guess what someone welded the bracket into them. On your Raask is the bolt that goes into the exauhst hanger built into the pipe or is it welded on there? my guess its welded on there althoug for $300 bucks i would hope it was made of solid gold with no welds whatsoever ;D. Point and case is that the welded part is not seen by anyone its bolts straight into the exauhst hanger and most pipes have that same weld. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Greg_650 on 07/23/05 at 09:02:14 mikedasavage wrote:
The "Midas cr@p" came from my poorly assembled analogy with the kind of work performed by OCC (I watched another stupid episode last night). Scroll back through a few for the origin... Yes, my stock muffler came with welded parts, and so did my former SuperTrapp. Even my Raask has one little weld for the mounting stud...very innocuous, though. The big difference, I believe, is called "fit and finish". Whether it is Suzuki, SuperTrapp, Raask, or even OCC, when the welding is done the work is chrome plated. BTW - 7 pounds of gold for $300 is a good deal. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by mikedasavage on 07/23/05 at 09:19:55 Greg_650 wrote:
LOL ;D |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Greg_650 on 07/23/05 at 09:40:46 Well shoot....I guess that I "gone and done it". Got everyone kneejerking and pissed off. Nothing new for my a$$. Anyway....I have an idea. Let's make a new rule for this forum.... From this day forward, it shall be declared that whenever anyone makes a request for feedback or opinions, that it shall be immediately, completely, strictly understood, followed, and adhered unto to that any replies offered, suggested, forwarded, and written, by anyone, whether member, guest, biker or non-biker, will all be politically correct in every such manner that every utterance, reference and inference will be completely and totally agreeable to and with all parties, to include the originator, any member, any guest, their decsendants and even their ancestors should they happen to gaze upon said requested feedback or opinion. The punishment for failure of complete compliance with said rule will result in banishment from the entire motorcycling community for life, and forfeiture of all gremlin bells and related gear..... That said, anyone wanna ride? |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by mikedasavage on 07/23/05 at 09:47:07 i'm not peeved off or upset. i said it earlier i just like the discussion. whether i'm right or wrong i'm stubborn and will argue points to the end ;D |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Greg_650 on 07/23/05 at 21:10:01 Me too, man. I love bikes and I have a bunch of experience with them. So I like to talk and even argue about them. For what I know, I'm also serious. I mean what I say, but I know others do too. Nothing personal....or maybe it is, but I think of it in fun anyway. Hey, we're bikers. No one said we had to be pretty. 8) |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by shawn_b on 07/23/05 at 22:45:14 good point just dont be so nasty next time ::) now lets get along :-*after all we all ride the same thing in the end shawn |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Greg_650 on 07/24/05 at 06:50:51 shawn_b wrote:
What was nasty? I figure, don't ask and I won't tell. Was I supposed to sugar coat my answers? Okay, from now on I'll tell people exactly what I know they want to hear..... |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by shawn_b on 07/24/05 at 10:11:46 dont lie just keep it above the belt line 8) 8) |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Greg_650 on 07/24/05 at 11:12:26 shawn_b wrote:
Sometimes the head is doesn't feel anything ::) |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by shawn_b on 07/24/05 at 11:21:45 lol ;D |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Greg_650 on 07/24/05 at 11:27:08 shawn_b wrote:
Shoot sometimes my head can't write either ;D |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Ed_L. on 07/24/05 at 14:21:06 Didn't mean to get my nose out of joint everybody, having a bunch of fire ants craw up my leg really got me all fired up. Here are a couple pics of the muffler adapter and the bracket I used for the sportster install. http://wwwbikepics.com/pictures/398165/ http://wwwbikepics.com/pictures/398166/ Ride Safe |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Ed_L. on 07/24/05 at 14:26:54 One of the links is wrong, try http://wwbikepics.com/pictures/398164/ |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by GaThumper on 07/24/05 at 18:12:41 Ed_L. wrote:
Try these - http://www.bikepics.com/pictures/398164/ http://www.bikepics.com/pictures/398165/ |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Ed_L. on 07/24/05 at 18:28:37 Thanks my brain is not working today ??? |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Greg_650 on 07/24/05 at 20:55:10 Ed_L. wrote:
Thanks for the pics Ed. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by theikeman on 08/03/05 at 16:29:15 The problem is the wrong HD muffler, the Sportster muffler has a tab on it but the Dyna mufflerhas a bracket similar to stock, you go to the Hardware store, buy a togglebolt and some large washers, mount the extra washers between the mounting hole in the front of the stock bracket and the muffler to point it away from the brake/tire. Use your stock clamp plus a reducer sleeve to attach it to your header pipe. Works like a charm on my 87. Ike :)http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4565923771&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by bobo383 on 08/03/05 at 17:06:44 I did several pipe installs cause I like to mess with stuff, and I like to fabricate. I could have gotten by with the stock pipe but the sound was girly. "Correct" aftermarket pipes were more money than I wanted to cough up - that and I think if everybody already has one, then I don't want it. I'm weird that way (and several other ways)...but the Raask is just hard enough to obtain, and just plain cool looking straight-pipe style, I might have to try one. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by lancer on 08/04/05 at 13:04:32 I like the Screaming Eagle mufflers. They are not my favorite but they work fairly well and are very cost effective, especially from ebay. Regardless of which muffler you prefer, it can be had for a great price on ebay if you are a little patient and watch the sales. It does not take much effort to adapt the S/E, Supertrapp, or any other muffler to the Savage and make it look pretty darn good. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and the only beholder that is important in this case is the one riding that particular bike. Do what you like and be proud of it. Everyone else...tip your hat, acknowledge your riding brother's effort, and do your own thing. |
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Title: Re: Sportster muff install issues - feedback pleas Post by Red_Wine on 08/11/05 at 09:33:46 Amen to that!!!! RW |
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