SuzukiSavage.com /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> First ride /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1115667543 Message started by 650-rider on 05/09/05 at 12:39:03

Title: First ride Post by 650-rider on 05/09/05 at 12:39:03 I have gotten my 2002 Savage on the road for the first time, and had a great time!  I am a convert to the Savage - it is exactly what I was looking for in a motorcycle.  And it was nice weather yesterday in Maryland and southern Pennsylvania. I had a question for everyone though - is it normal to hear a sound while the engine is shutting down?  After I would click the red switch on the handlebar, the engine would make a short rachet-type sound while stopping.  It sounds like it is coming from the starter area maybe.  It just last a second or two.  Has anyone heard that before?

Title: Re: First ride Post by Durandal on 05/09/05 at 13:23:30 I know the sound you are talking about.  I hear it too when I shut off the engine, although not every time.  I seem to remember a discussion of it somewhere on this board, but darned if I can find it.  Maybe one of the board gods will chime in when they see this thread. Whereabouts in MD are you?  I've got friends in Baltimore I see quite frequently.  My first long-distance ride will probably be to Baltimore and back - about 200 miles round-trip.

Title: Re: First ride Post by Mr 650 on 05/09/05 at 18:24:38 Go here or search "fart". http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;num=1098489179;start=2#2

Title: Re: First ride Post by Michael on 05/09/05 at 20:55:41 650 rider: I hear the same sound. Kind of like a whirling noise. I don't think it happens every time though, or maybe sometimes I tune it out. cheers Michael

Title: Re: First ride Post by WD on 05/09/05 at 22:55:25 It's pretty easy to accidentally bump the starter button while shutting down via the kill switch. Especially if you just "sweep" with your thumb. Try shutting off via the key. Kill switch is technically an "emergency" kill switch, not an everyday bit. -WD

Title: Re: First ride Post by Savage_Rob on 05/10/05 at 06:05:31 I remember reading about the whirring sound in the Stop the backlash (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;num=1094731092) thread and I can imagine it so clearly I may have even heard it myself (though I listened for it last night and it wasn't there).  However, from reading that thread, it seems the actual backlash issue would cause a very ugly sound and that the whirring you hear may be fairly common and likely benign.

Title: Re: First ride Post by gbish on 05/10/05 at 08:51:53 I have a question. My 2001 Savage makes a sound as i give the bike a lot of gas.It sounds to me like the speedometer. Any thoughts.

Title: Re: First ride Post by Savage_Rob on 05/10/05 at 09:06:59 Are you talking about a vibration/rattle from the speedo area?  If so, that's common.  It can be tightened a bit from the back side with the tank pulled and a shot or two of spray silicone lube between the rubber gasket and the tank will help too.  I've also had a buzzing from the headlight that turned out to be some wiring that wasn't properly secured inside it and a splice connector was vibrating against the housing.

Title: Re: First ride Post by Mr 650 on 05/10/05 at 11:58:05 Oh, that sound, you're right. First, I thought it was the common shut-off backfire. Now that you mention it, I seldom use the red bar-mounted kill switch now. Use the key switch mostly now and the backlash thing has gone away. Considering the recent discussion/review of the savage ignition box failure, something comes to mind. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;num=1112845543 Hmmm... I submit this hypothesis to the SS.com laboratories brain-trust for furthur field testing. Perhaps w/ the ignition key still on, using the red kill switch to stop the running motor may help induce or be more prone to the dreaded shut-off-backfire/fart-backlash syndrome by way of the "wasted spark" CDI?? ??? Savage_Rob wrote: I remember reading about the whirring sound in the Stop the backlash (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;num=1094731092) thread and I can imagine it so clearly I may have even heard it myself (though I listened for it last night and it wasn't there).  However, from reading that thread, it seems the actual backlash issue would cause a very ugly sound and that the whirring you hear may be fairly common and likely benign.

Title: Re: First ride Post by diesel on 05/10/05 at 22:13:04 shut down with side stand will have same effect

Title: Re: First ride Post by 650-rider on 05/11/05 at 07:43:26 Durandal - I am located in the north of Baltimore, around Towson, but the Savage is located at my Dad's place in southern PA (off route 83).  I keep it there so I can ride in the country until I get more experience with the bike.

Title: Re: First ride Post by Karen627 on 05/11/05 at 18:17:18 Interesting to read this.  In the MSF class, they told us to use the red kill button all the time, to develop the habit -- this way, if you're in a situation where you need to shut the bike off immediately, you'll do what you're used to doing, and hit the kill switch (which, in that case, would be the correct thing to do anyway).   So I've been hitting the kill switch and then turning off the key.   So that does actually damage the bike, then?

Title: Re: First ride Post by WD on 05/11/05 at 21:51:21 It CAN damage the bike. Normally it is not a problem, just make double sure to not "knock" the starter button.  About 99% of the bikes out there shut off just fine via the kill switch. I shut mine off via the kill switch most of the time. Without problems.  Although, I do like to smack the throttle and shut off via the key from time to time... ::) Just something about the "normal people" jumping when they hear a "shotgun" go off in the parking lot... -WD

Title: Re: First ride Post by PerrydaSavage on 05/12/05 at 03:27:02 My Bike "whirr's" somewhat after shutting down with either the kill switch or kick-stand lock-out ... can't remember if it does so or not with the ignition key as I've used it so few times ... left side below the seat is not really an ideal location for shutting off with the key as it requires removing the left hand from the clutch ... and making sure the Bike is in neutral before doing so. I was in the habit of using the kick stand to shut-off ... that way I wouldn't forget to put it down ... than started using the kill button (as taught a M/C safety Training) ... forgot the stand one time and down the bike went ... I like the idea of using the key, but as said it's in an awkward location ... will using the kill or sidestand actually cause ignition problems in the long run?

Title: Re: First ride Post by WD on 05/12/05 at 07:12:56 CAN it? Yes. WILL it? Probably not, it's a CDI system, not one of the old points units. Kind of hard for it to screw up a system with one moving part (the key cylinder).  ;) -WD

Title: Re: First ride Post by Mr 650 on 05/17/05 at 17:02:46 Hmmm whir sounds like the backlash prob.  :-[ PerrydaSavage wrote: My Bike "whirr's" somewhat after shutting down with either the kill switch or kick-stand lock-out ... can't remember if it does so or not with the ignition key as I've used it so few times ... left side below the seat is not really an ideal location for shutting off with the key as it requires removing the left hand from the clutch ... and making sure the Bike is in neutral before doing so. I was in the habit of using the kick stand to shut-off ... that way I wouldn't forget to put it down ... than started using the kill button (as taught a M/C safety Training) ... forgot the stand one time and down the bike went ... I like the idea of using the key, but as said it's in an awkward location ... will using the kill or sidestand actually cause ignition problems in the long run?

Title: Re: First ride Post by Mr 650 on 05/17/05 at 17:10:28 Let's get the technical terms down 1st. A fart is not the same as a whir. The whir is a bad thing, prone to damage the starter gears. Fart is the small exhaust sound a Savage says sometimes when you shut it off- means "good ridin'!" Michael wrote: 650 rider: I hear the same sound. Kind of like a whirling noise. I don't think it happens every time though, or maybe sometimes I tune it out. cheers Michael

Title: Re: First ride Post by rkutzner on 05/17/05 at 17:26:29 Definitely use the kill switch.  It is taught that way in safety courses for the reason mentioned. It CANNOT hurt the bike.  If you are then sweeping to the starter button, of course that CAN cause damage afte a while.

Title: Re: First ride Post by Savage_Rob on 05/17/05 at 20:53:26 I noticed today that mine does it on shutoff also.  There is a mild thunk and a whir when using the shutoff switch.  I hope that something this common isn't as destructive as some think.  It doesn't sound like a grinding or anything... more like something disengaging and spinning down.  It could be a backlash I guess, but I'm hoping either it's not or Suzuki has made mods to lessen the impact it could have.  Hmmmmmmm.

Title: Re: First ride Post by diesel on 05/17/05 at 21:27:00 when piston is going up on compression stroke after shutdown without enough inerita to carry over TDC. the built up comperssion will kick it back down. the over running starter clutch will momentarly give the starter motor a slight backwards thrust,thus short whirl sound. when kick start engines kick backwards, when kicker forgets to retard timing. often will break kickers leg. kickers leg now being the starter. electric start multi-cylinder engines will seldom, if ever display any kick back action.

Title: Re: First ride Post by Paladin on 05/17/05 at 22:34:07 It is normal to hear a sound when shutting down. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;num=1115813162;start=2#2 http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;num=1111778830;start=0#0 The sound is described as a "chuff."

Title: Re: First ride Post by WD on 05/18/05 at 00:08:13 The starter making noise on shutdown on a one lunger is common, and perfectly normal. I checked evry street thumper at work, and to some extent, they all do it. Can it cause damage, yes, will it, likely not.  The sound is very reminiscent of a slightly over-running flathead Ford Bendix starter drive. Takes about 20 years to notice any real damage. -WD

Title: Re: First ride Post by Savage_Rob on 05/18/05 at 06:24:35 This is definitely not the "chuff" sound.  I'm just wondering why the bendix would catch a backlash.  Shouldn't it be disengaged at this point?  If not, I can certainly see the efficacy of using decompression to stop the original piston kickback.  If this is indeed anything to worry about, I like Greg's idea of incorporating it into the kill switch.  I mean, actuate the decompression solenoid when you kill the bike using the same switch.  More stuff to make me say "hmmmmm...". Addendum:  I just looked at the microfiche on RonAyers and it looks like the starter is always engaged, which would explain this phenomenon.  I guess I'm just too used to seeing starters with a bendix that is engaged by a solenoid/slug arrangement.  That said, I wonder what Suzuki expected to happen on shutdown.  Or is this just a way to sell replacement parts?

Title: Re: First ride Post by gazab44 on 05/19/05 at 04:10:02 I just get the "thunk" noise on shut down and i only ever use the key switch. So reading these posts has reasured me...i'm not alone..thanks :)

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