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Title: a crazy idea Post by sluggo on 03/23/05 at 16:58:47 in an earler post wd said he wanted a hand shifter, i said to my self thats f'n crazy how are you going work the clutch. then i started really thinking the idea over and this is what i came up with. a hand shifter with a clutch handle on it. so you shift and clutch with the same hand. i only use the clutch to start in first and down shift back to first and hold at intersection.the rest of the time it's just a throttle blip as i shift. yes it's an advanced technique but one every rider should learn. i went out and looked at the machine for a few hours and came to the conclusion that this will work. thoughts ??? |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by WD on 03/23/05 at 20:00:04 Only part I haven't figured out is how to attach the splined widget on the shifter stub. I had to weld up a solid linkage when the cheesy factory potmetal linkage broke. Can't be that hard to hook the clutch cable to the shifter peg lever, for a foot clutch hand shift. I know, jockey/suicide shifts on bobbers/choppers are becoming like flat black on rat rods. I'm almost mad the front brake works again, with a hand shifter, I could have trimmrd all the crap off the bars. Nice and basic, throttle up top, maybe mirrors, if I couldn't figure out how to hang them under the bars. Oh well, there's always next winter for engineering. -WD |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by sluggo on 03/23/05 at 20:11:20 i've got someone to help fabricate it. i'll use a set of 7/8 handlebars for the up tube and the exsiting clutch lever that way i won't have to come up with a foot clutch. then figgure out how to make a left foot front brake. |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by WD on 03/23/05 at 20:23:16 Left foot front brake? Hang the master on the frame. Build a longer pushrod to go from the pedal to the M/C plunger. 90 degree banjo fitting off the M/C outlet, 90 degree hard bend to route the hose forward. Done. Be a b!tch to bleed the system. -WD |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by sluggo on 03/23/05 at 20:28:44 solid engineering. i'll get the first step done then try the brakes. if i don't like the set up i can always set it back to factory. |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by WD on 03/23/05 at 20:39:43 "May be crazy but I ain't dumb!" That is an old hotrodding trick. It's how you put a modern powerbrake system under a floor board...and if you look real close, how several of the OEM linked bike brake systems are plumbed. Wish I could take credit for it...told my wife that being a gearhead wasn't always bad... -WD |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by sluggo on 03/23/05 at 20:45:08 WD wrote:
sad that most people equate crazy with dumb. :( their loss. ::) i'm sure in his time people thougth the same of ole ben franklin |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by WD on 03/23/05 at 22:34:07 Apparently being a gearhead is usually bad, unless I'm working on her car... Couple more hours and I'll know if the car will run again. I hope so. Neither bike is ridable, the truck gets horrible mileage. She has a new business that needs promoting. I can see her point. Kind of hard to tote advertising fliers on a bike, even with a daypack. Keep your fingers crossed for me. I have got to park the truck, gas prices are killing us. Sure wish I knew ANYTHING about Toyotas. -WD |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by sluggo on 03/23/05 at 23:00:34 just got back from the shop. mocked up a handle. man this is gonna work. wow a savage with a handshift/clutch. will be unique. i'll post pics when complete. should be about a week, maybe sooner. |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by PerrydaSavage on 03/24/05 at 01:59:03 8)You're blowin' my mind guys!! Y'all should be on TV!! Can't wait to see pics!! |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by WD on 03/24/05 at 03:22:11 Perry, I just don't think Sluggo and I would make good TV. I don't know about him, but when I get mad, stuff gets broken. Threw an assembled big block V8 at an ex-boss... The Savage has such a low buy in that some of us, especially Sluggo, Max, me and Peter the Blacksmith from Bert's forum can't help but tinker with them. Look through Paladin's picture gallery. There are some seriously sweet modified bikes in there. Wish I was as good with late models as I was with flathead engines. My personal best time on an Indian 80 incher was just over one hour, from pull out to tear down, machine, reassemble, and go for a test ride. I wouldn't crack open a Savage engine on a dare, unless I was at Greg's house. Overhead cams and their related parts are beyond my comprehension. I guess I'll have to photo document when I add 6 inches to the backbone of the orange bike. Proper late 60s or early 70s gooseneck frame is looking better and better. Long, low, lean, and very mean. My stepson is also over 6 feet tall, a bitmore legroom would be a good thing for either of us. -WD |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by sluggo on 03/24/05 at 04:15:30 WD, if the pictures you are refering to are listed in the gallery from the home page, then they are the same 244 pictures that the sites owner collected/borrowed from other sites. paladins gallery is rather new and hosted at his site. it features the people who post here on a regular basis. i haven't seen an update to the 244 pictures since i've been lurking/posting. i even sent a photo to john, which did not get added to the lot. as for me, i have a very very long fuse (can you say stoner) so seldom do i get mad at things or people, that makes for some boring tv. also so sitting there staring for a hour at the machine as i work out a problem is pretty boring too. i have to agree with the low buy in statement, it has made it easier to tinker with. like the bob job is considered tinkering. my hope and the reason i've posted so many pics is to stir others to jump on the mod wagon. as i've worked out the hand shift/clutch i've come to the conclusion that i will not get wild and crazy with the performance mods. just a super trapp, rejet, and half white spacer. but then again ask me in a month or two as i become familar with the new shifter. my biggest concern at this moment is low speed manuvering in parking lots and the like. like i said earlier, i can always put it back to factory. |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by WD on 03/24/05 at 04:38:15 Imean Paladin's gallery and map combo, the top post on this page. I like the homepage gallery too, but, prefer to know who goes with what bike. The picture issue is one of the reasons I came here. The other site I can't even get my contact info corrected. haven't been in TN since October of 2001, but that's where I'm listed at. Let's see, you're layed back, Max is a genious tinkerer, and I'm a kook...there may be a show in that after all. Throw in Greg from Portland, Pat from Des Moines/Kent...naw, I'd prefer to keep the Savage a "niche market" bike. If the rich guys find out about it, I'll have to get rid of it. I refuse to be mainstream! If it is hyper-popular, count me out. Explains the 49 and 69 Dodge trucks, the RWD Celica, and why I'm getting rid of the Bugs. Next to my temper, Big Paul from OCC is a junior grade Girl Scout. But I build nicer bikes... -WD Roach Bikes Forever! 8) |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by WD on 03/24/05 at 05:54:38 Oh, and once you figure out how to shift with the new set-up, you'll never go back to the current standard. Much faster gear engagement, more positive shift feel, more control than a foot shift. I learned to ride on a 3 speed tank shift Knuckle, never have gotten used to the hand clutch foot shift thing. -WD I've said it before, I'll say it again, I'm strange. ;D |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by Nightrain on 03/24/05 at 08:29:05 Vespas and Lambrettas have been using hand shifters since the 60's. You could probably pilfer the whole assembly off of an italian scooter and then just work out some type of linkage on the gearbox. |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by PerrydaSavage on 03/24/05 at 08:29:32 Quote:
Naah WD the word is "unique" not strange! Still think you guys would make better TV than OCC! |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by sluggo on 03/24/05 at 08:55:55 Nightrain wrote:
thanks for the suggestion. i've got the linkage and shifter handle worked out it's just a matter of some fabrication. i'm using shifter off the gn400 it to the right angle, then attach it to a 7/8 piece alum tubing bent in two places. add grip and clutch handle, again off the 400 use the exsiting cable. looks to work pretty sweet. |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by WD on 03/24/05 at 09:39:38 No Perry, the word is strange, very strange. I have a hopped up Husquvarna saw engine and a Henderson bicycle (as in Henderson Motorcycle Company). Neither one is getting used... -WD |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by Nightrain on 03/24/05 at 11:25:18 Quote:
Not quite sure I follow. So you are doing it via cables or linkage? I was thinking (along the lambretta lines) of using two cables. twist one way for 1st gears. twist back the other way for 2nd,3rd,4th and 5th. The cables would move the shifter on the trans using a push/pull motion. You would be using only cables and no linkage. |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by Max_Morley on 03/24/05 at 13:29:46 Hey sluggo, saw an option in the latest AMA rag for an electric shifter, could use the tank shift lever for the clutch part and have a up/down button for the shift part. <www.adaptivemotorcycling.com> That would be different. The idea of a clutch lever on the shift lever is neat. MaxLike your new stop/tail/license plate light. Great idea. |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by Nightrain on 03/24/05 at 14:17:00 I get it now. Heres a pic I found on the web. Most people convert the clutch to the left peg (where the shifter is now) and bolt the shifter right to the shaft. But I think yours will be even cooler. I cant wait to see what you come up with. Keep us posted. ;D http://www.irontail.com/webpages/LABriola%20Machine/Images/labriola_machine3003005.jpg |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by sluggo on 03/24/05 at 14:18:40 Nightrain wrote:
i'm using an old shifter bent at proper angle to clear engine case then attach 7/8 tube up to side of tank, then bent forward at top to follow tank lines with clutch hand attached pattern will be one forward 4 back. |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by Max_Morley on 03/24/05 at 21:15:50 Just wanted to share with all of you how much pleasure Sluggo's bobber gives me as it rotates on my iMAC desktop along with the other thumper pictures i have collected. Best part is I ridden with Sluggo and have seen the bike on he road. We balanced the rear tire last Friday and rode until we got to the smoothest new pavement so I could see how well the process worked. Looked good to me and after some chit chat Sluggo headed south and I headed north. Great job sluggo. |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by Max_Morley on 03/24/05 at 21:17:50 Hey sluggo, have you thought about crossing the shifter over in front of the downtubes and haveing it be RH shift so you could keep the original clutch arrangement. I think there is a european one that is configured that way. Max |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by sluggo on 03/24/05 at 22:33:59 thank you max for your kind words. i really like the idea of a shift/clutch on the same assembly, and it's the easiest to fabricate. my intentions are to leave the original clutch handle in place until i know i really like it. if not i can set it back easily or come up with a different method as you outlined. my question is how to bypass the clutch interlock. it looks like all i need to do is close the circut. it's a work in progress |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by WD on 03/25/05 at 00:01:30 Kill the clutch interlock the same way you delete the kickstand interlock. Cut the wires and twist them together with a wire nut or solder them together somewhere in the harness. I've deleted the kickstand wires (back in 98, the switch lasted a couple weeks or months, can't remember which). Plan to delete the clutch interlock sometime soon. All the redundant safety gizmos...why bother? Rock the bike before you go to start it, if it rolls, cool, if not, put it in neutral. How hard is that? Between sheer laziness and stupidity on the part of the average consumer, nothing is simple anymore. -WD |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by sluggo on 03/25/05 at 00:37:33 of course i figgured that out about 5 minutes after i asked, i went out and put a jumper wire in it. answered that one. my last thumper had no safety equipment, i loved it. because of the manual starting procedures, and magneto i just left it on, never even used a key, well except for the gas cap. and never worried about some one taking it because i knew they wouldnt get it started. 8) |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by gitarzan on 03/25/05 at 17:53:58 I like the cut off in the kickstand. That's how I shut off the engine. YMMV. |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by sluggo on 03/25/05 at 20:06:50 gitarzan wrote:
i use mine in that fashion, that and scaring people at the mall. living in moses lake (where the current run of school shootings started, but is never mentioned), i am mindful of doing it around schools. |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by Greg_650 on 03/26/05 at 07:02:38 WD wrote:
I agree. I hated the safety gizmos right from the start. They were dumbing me down. Never had all that before and didn't want it now. Hell, starting the bike in gear, by accident, is kind of a thrill :P....but at least I don't have to worry with those gizmos going bad and giving me trouble out on the road, either. Shutting off the bike with the side stand is cool, but if you ask me, that's also a great way to forget and leave the ignition turned on. It had to go too. I just ran that side of the double diode to ground. As for the clutch switch, I pulled out the switch and that section of wire and just jumpered it at the yellow harness connector. |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by bobo383 on 03/26/05 at 08:03:57 I've picked up several riding mowers for next to nothing cause the owners couldn't crank them. Bad safety switch every time - in the seat, clutch, or tranny (neutral). Safety switches are in the same category as dull knives and unloaded guns. "Feel good" measures only. Safety is between the ears. CONVENIENCE, however is another thing altogether. My Savage switches haven't malfunctioned, so they're still there. |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by Greg_650 on 03/26/05 at 08:10:45 Yep, it's a matter of choice. Some like the petc0ck, some like the switches... Oops, "like the petc0ck" operation is all that I meant. I certainly don't like how it helps in removing the tank. |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by sluggo on 03/26/05 at 21:52:50 A CRAZY IDEA IT WAS. SO, sometimes ideas work, sometimes they don't. appearance wasn't that great. and the angle of the dangle didn't work. with the original linkage it was a short throw to shift gears. with the new shifter, the short throw at the bottom turned into a long throw at the top. i would need a much shorter shifter and a foot clutch. so at this time it's not going to fly. >:( time for the next idea |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by WD on 03/26/05 at 22:26:57 Bummer. :'( -WD Next project? |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by sluggo on 03/26/05 at 22:34:20 WD wrote:
supertrapp from max. carb mods. and some serious riding. got to get some more seat time before the big ride in june. just need to get the butt accustomed to the harder ride now that the seat is mount to frame. but then again i'm open to suggestions |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by WD on 03/26/05 at 22:38:40 Man talk about getting used to the saddle again. I sat on mine for 10 minutes the other day. Even without moving it was brutal. I may HAVE to get another bike. And that was BEFORE I started making the seat thinner by stitching a design into it. Somehow, I don't think the rough riding bob-job is going to cut it anymore... :'( :'( :'( And it is too heavily modded to do anything else with. Well, only one way to find out. If I ride it on the ash run, instead of the kid riding it or the truck hauling it, say something nice at my funeral... ;D -WD |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by sluggo on 03/26/05 at 22:42:32 WD wrote:
i'm more of a spit on the grave type ::) |
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Title: Re: a crazy idea Post by WD on 03/26/05 at 22:53:13 Figures... ;D -WD |
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