|
SuzukiSavage.com
/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Biker Build off /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1111609657 Message started by sunny on 03/23/05 at 12:27:37 |
|
Title: Biker Build off Post by sunny on 03/23/05 at 12:27:37 i watched last night's biker build off. i don't know him personally but i frequent rick fairless' place due to its proximity to the office and due to his mom's hamburgers. i was SO glad to see someone use a small engine in a chopper. he used a triumph 650. rick didn't win but it was a nice show. |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by sluggo on 03/23/05 at 12:54:48 sunny wrote:
it sure was. the one thing i got out of it is how to mount a savage engine in a rigid with a big fat tire. i saw that jacking gear, and said yes. thats how you do it. i'm suprised he didnt win. while the MH bike was nice it still looks like a piece of "motorcycle jewlery". to me. |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by sunny on 03/23/05 at 13:05:13 i felt that way about hotch's bike too. they kept saying it was retro, but the only thing i saw that appeared even remotely retro was the suicide shift. but what do i know, i'm just a girl. |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by Nightrain on 03/23/05 at 13:20:20 I love that friggin show ;D. I think Russell Mitchell is the man. That show is my answer to my girlfriend gawking over american idol. If they ever put those 2 shows on at the same time, It may come to blows. |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by sluggo on 03/23/05 at 13:29:39 Nightrain wrote:
they got this newfangled device called the vcr for that sort of thing. now if i could ever get mine to stop blinking 1200 1200 1200 1200. :o |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by jendesigner on 03/23/05 at 13:53:59 "Russell Mitchell is the man" I agree on this one. I went to the Superbike show in Chicago and got to meet him and see his bikes up close. (got a picture with him to) I love his bikes. Flat bike and very, very clean. |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by sunny on 03/23/05 at 13:56:17 i totally ditto about russell mitchell as well. |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by WD on 03/23/05 at 13:59:57 The only biker build offs worth watching have Russel or the late Indian Larry in them. The rest of the bikes are just eye-candy for yuppies. Hank Young has some killer ideas, but the tanks he makes ruin the lines for me. Now, if they would put a Swedish builder up against Russel...just my opinion, I could be wrong. -WD |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by Nightrain on 03/23/05 at 14:15:10 Quote:
I couldnt agree more (OCC??). Its funny that so many people here agree on this. With everyday folk, I get laughed at for suggesting this very fact. Bolt on 39 different do-dads and dunk the entire bike in chrome and you'll win the bike show 99% of the time. Maybe thats why we all drive savages and the rest of the american public cant buy a motorcycle for less than $6995 ;) Ride on my brothers in arms!! |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by PerrydaSavage on 03/23/05 at 14:18:14 Like you all, I really enjoy Biker Build Off ... prefer the "minimalist" stuff the best ... Russ Mitchell makes some cool Bikes ... miss Indian Larry though; I really liked how he was neither a "loud mouth" nor egotistical ... he also built really cool machines. Really wanna see that Triumph 650 Chopper though ... Discovery hasn't run that episode up here in Canada yet ... |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by sluggo on 03/23/05 at 14:25:14 russell was the inspiration for my bob job . clean, simple low bars, no big front ends. correct me if i'm wrong but, wasnt the original idea of a chopper created by the wwII kids coming back and getting into racing "chopping" all the excess stuff off the bike to make if lighter. it wasnt till the outlaws and denver choppers came along and made the long front ends so they could use a smaller front wheel, and call them choppers. then everybody and their sister started building them. i've said it before, just cause everybody's doing it, still don't make it right. |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by Ed_L. on 03/23/05 at 16:09:10 Got to agree about the new style of choppers, seems everybody is going out and getting the OCC eye candy type. There's a new custom cycle shop that just opened up near by. The prices start at $25,000 and go up to over $75,000 for some of the real radical ones. Lots of chrome boltons and some serious egos. I missed the Russell Mitchell show, will keep an eye out for it. Really enjoyed the way Indian Larry worked metal, he was an artist in steel, too bad it was his time. Seems that a lot of the crowd out there are trying so hard to be different but are ending up looking all the same. Whatever blows up thier pant leg, if it makes them happy, well that's fine with me. Just don't expect me to follow, I try to make my own path. ;D Ride Safe |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by sluggo on 03/23/05 at 16:29:37 speed tv if featuring russell in a show called build or bust. they take people like us, give us 30 days to build the machine at his shop. if it gets done, you ride it away. if not well you look like a fool on national tv. wed nites 8 pm . check you schedule for local listings. boys and girls run to your tv right now 1700 hrs pst build or bust is on right now on speed tv |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by WD on 03/23/05 at 20:14:10 The absolute best Biker Build Off was Mondo (Denver's Choppers) vs Indian Larry. I couldn't handle it very well though. Larry was why I started building stripped down high bar bikes. Minimal tinwork, proportional tire and front end, hopped up engine. Only what was needed to make the bike go better and hold up better. In the memorial issue of The Horse Backstreet Choppers, there is a Larry quote that sums it up. "Give me that fancy showbike for a week. I'll bring it back a busted up pile of nuts and bolts". Jesse James used to make nice stuff. OCC, if you ever put a wrench on it, you've ruined it. Eddie Trotta's Thunder Cycles...see OCC. There are very few real builders left. Chopper Dave and the rest of the Misfits Club. Chica, if he leaves off the sculpted tanks. Sucker Punch Sally's. Fly-rite. Denvers (some of them are really nice). Some of the older Panzer bikes were really nice. I think the entire custom HD based "chopper scene" is hilarious. Catalog customs, at best. Harley Davidson Motor Company 1903-1964. R.I.P. Indian Motocycle Company 1901-1953. R.I.P. Excelsior Henderson ?-1931. R.I.P. Real chop basis? Give me an aircooled thumper or vertical twin, maybe a ricer 4 banger for that late-60s or early-70s flair. The rest can rot. -WD Screwed up, Chopper dave is part of the Sinners bike, rod, rockabilly scene. The way it should be. |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by gitarzan on 03/24/05 at 10:44:00 Same here. I was tickled to see someone FINALLY do a non-V-TWIN. I think the most righteous choppers are Honda 750s, 450 twins, Triumph 650s twins and it's Yamaha clone. Beezers look cool too. If it's a V-Twin, a Pan Head or Knuckle or even a Shovel, but no Evos or S&S that stuff. Russell Mitchell's bikes are the coolest all around, I think he's goes a little too far with the Bauhaus look on some of them. Flyrite sells a roller for about $2500. I was wondering how well the Thumper would fit? |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by gitarzan on 03/24/05 at 10:58:06 Also... If it wasn't something else before, its not a chopper. A new engine in a new frame with a new tank is a custom, no matter what it looks like. |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by sluggo on 03/24/05 at 11:06:58 gitarzan wrote:
that has always been my point, that and the one i hide with my hat. ;D |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by sunny on 03/24/05 at 11:53:09 at what point does a modded bike become a chopper? |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by sluggo on 03/24/05 at 14:21:50 sunny wrote:
very good question :) when you start taking things off not adding them. ::) the things you take off have nothing to do with making the machine move or stop, like signals. check your states laws, many states only require you signal, not actually have signals. passenger seating, sissybar, windshield any ornamental do dads, side rails stuff like that, you don't have to have an extended front end that's an add on making it a custom, not a chopper. now many builders are making customs and calling them "choppers" which they are not. it goes right along with the "real" biker discussion. a chopper is something you make yourself, not go out and buy. nobody buys a chopper they can only be built. buy it, it's a custom job. hope this helps. no offense hoghunter. |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by gitarzan on 03/24/05 at 14:51:26 sunny wrote:
I think it's like Jazz, when you hear it, you know it. I used to think the extended forks and ape bars was what made a chopper, based on my opinions formed about 1967. But styles change, like anything else. But some folks call any stripped down bike a chopper. Or any long forked custom. I guess it's when you know you can call it a chopper and no one second guesses you. The Savage and the Intruder are already pretty chopperesque if you ask me. But I would not call either a chopper. I reckon I still couldn't call mine a chopper unless I extended the forks or did a real frame based hardtail (not just replacing the shocks with rods.) |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by sluggo on 03/24/05 at 15:06:18 gitarzan wrote:
and they are when you look at the orgins of the "chopper" as i explained in the earler post. you "chop" off excess weight for added performance. so whats mine. technicaly a chopper. i prefer the term bobbed custom. or years from now "ratt bike" |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by gitarzan on 03/24/05 at 15:19:59 I wouldn't even call it a "custom." To me that implies someone else made it for you. There's a term that's starting to be used to distinguish traditionally chopped bikes from custom-shoppe bikes. "Street Choppers" |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by sluggo on 03/24/05 at 15:29:44 gitarzan wrote:
thank you for the custom statment. i do like the term street chopper. most that see it call it a chopper. a client of mine said he wanted a savage before he knew i had one, i told him i'll bring mine down for him to check out. he loved it, one of his employees saw it and asked if it came that way, before i could say anything my client says "no way he's spent some serious time customizing it". i threw him the keys, said take it for a spin. he wouldn't go, said i dont want to hurt it. i couldn't convince him that short of running it into a building or car he couldn't hurt it, or at least do anything i couldn't fix.. he did have a sweet 71 triumph bonny with less then 10k miles on it in his back room. he bought it new and just can't bring himself to ride it.. that's why he wants the savage. |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by Honda_fan on 03/24/05 at 19:17:32 jendesigner wrote:
I was there too. Russell was very nice and came off as a down to earth person. I actually got to sit on the bike he built for the first biker build-off against Eddie Trotta. It was too stretched for me but was way cool. I 'm sure it fit him well since he is pretty tall. So far my favorites are Exile and Zero Engineering. Those old knuckle heads are beautiful engines. |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by cphilip on 03/24/05 at 19:49:09 You know I watch these things all the time and sometimes get some inspiration from some of them... but you know after a while all thier theme bikes get kind of a blur. Now what I want to see is some branching out from the "chopper" theme. I want to see some Scooters... and some Cafe Racers... something on the other edges. Something custom in those... as well as something taken and Modified to be something else. Both shows of maybe building them from the raw parts and maybe others on modifying something stock to be something else. Things like we do. Taking a Savage and making it a Cafe racer or a Chopper. Or for that matter just restoring something. NOT another build a Chopper from greatest parts I can have made or purchase and do a tad of metal fab to stick on it show. There are enough of those to satisfy my needs. What I want is something like what we all do. Which is really a truer form of old skool "choping" than these guys do. There is a good audience for this other kind of stuff. |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by klx650sm2002 on 03/25/05 at 02:04:55 Does talking 14 lbs off my bike make it a chop ? Clive W :D |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by sluggo on 03/25/05 at 02:39:09 klx650sm2002 wrote:
no just removing a case of beer doesn't count. :o |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by sunny on 03/25/05 at 09:18:23 so far i've removed sissy bar and rear blinkers, belt guard, the airbox, and front fender. i want to do away with the pillon seat, but i have it bungeed to the rear fender to hide the unsightly mess it is. i plan on getting a blank rear fender soon. |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by Greg_650 on 03/25/05 at 11:00:01 cphilip wrote:
RIGHT ON!!! |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by Greg_650 on 03/25/05 at 11:00:58 klx650sm2002 wrote:
Maybe it's more like a chip... |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by gitarzan on 03/25/05 at 18:18:18 Robot's Rules of Choppers: Rule 1. Choppers cannot have a windshield. ...next... |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by sluggo on 03/25/05 at 19:58:50 gitarzan wrote:
amen brother, praise the 50 wt. |
|
Title: Re: Biker Build off Post by Honda_fan on 03/25/05 at 20:32:23 cphilip wrote:
Check out next weeks B.B.O. Roland Sands from Performance Machine builds what looks like a V-rod cafe racer on the commercial. They had him on either American Thunder or Corbins Ride on a week or two ago with a V-rod custom that was really sweet. More like the Street Rod only better. Said that's the direction he wants to move the company. |
|
SuzukiSavage.com » Powered by YaBB 2.2! YaBB © 2000-2007. All Rights Reserved. |