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Title: another bike Post by sunny on 01/31/05 at 08:58:20 i have develped a problem. my 17 year old daughter is needing a vehicle to get to and from college next year. my first thought is to get either a moped or a gz250. the mopeds all seem extremely expensive, though. my reasoning is that if i get her a car there is no way i can make sure she doesn't get out of hand and go partying, speeding, etc. but i know the 250 won't do highway and mopeds only go 35 at the most. her trip to school will be 10 miles one way through a town a bit larger than ours. all advice is eagerly looked forward to. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by sunny on 01/31/05 at 08:59:30 ok. i'm not really concerned about her partying. i am concerned about her giving other people rides in a car however... |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by Gargoyle on 01/31/05 at 09:11:00 Some colleges have special close up parking for motorcycles and bicycles. That can be an advantage. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by bentwheel on 01/31/05 at 09:33:15 My thought is your daughter would likely prefer a traditional motorcycle as opposed to a moped. In some circles a moped has an unfavourable stygma attached. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by cphilip on 01/31/05 at 10:00:43 If your not concerned about staying under the moped classification (most states 50cc restricted to 30MPH).... no title no tag thing...I would consider a motorcycle class Scooter. Something reliable like a Yamaha Vino 125. Or even a Zuma even with a upkit. These things can get mighty fast, easy to operate as they are automatic and most popular on Campus. If its reliable and cheap campus transportation you want.... thats the idea. Stay completely AWAY from the cheapo imports from China. They are junk. Get a good Yamaha, Kimko. Twist and Go brand or even Piaggio Vespa one. Honda even but not their Moped class one as its 4 stroke and not upgradable. Too slow. If you would like to stay under the Moped class get the Vino or Zuma 50cc and deristrict and upkit it. Easy to do with some rollers and belts and a top end. Even the Vespa ET2 can be done this way but its pricey. You cannot do much to a 4 stroke so stay away from them if you cannot live with 30 MPH. But if its for a kid on Campus... this is the route to go. Scooter... Lets make sure we are on the same page.... a Scooter is not a Moped in actuality unless by law its under 50cc and its speed is restricted to 30MPH or less... and even then its a missuse of the term to call it a Moped but by law it fits. For some reason State DOTs all over the country decided to use the term inclusively when Scooter and Motorcycle style bikes came into popularity when they regulated them. So many of them dropped the requirements of Pedals and included the other styles under the same terminology. However errant that was. Lately some of them are startying to change that as its misleading. They are now calling them "Deregulated Motorized Vehicles" in some places. ANY motorcycle that is under 50cc and restricted to under 30MPH is called a Moped under most states laws right now. No matter what style it is. It can be Bicycle like (real Moped), Scooter like (a style of motorcycle with a legshield and step through middel) or a Motorcycle like looking bike. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by gitarzan on 01/31/05 at 10:04:10 Scooters actually have a cult following. And they ~are~ fun. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by bentwheel on 01/31/05 at 10:04:25 Sunny, when I first read your subject line ( Another bike) I thought maybe you were cheating on your Savage. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by cphilip on 01/31/05 at 10:10:15 gitarzan wrote:
This is especialy true lately on Campus. They are big. And hawt! They have always attracted an anti social immage from way back. Rockers and Mods wars and all that. Sort of a beatnik mentality. But lately most of the kids on Campus have gotten away from what most enthusiasts were into and that was fast manualy shifted scooters. Now the kids want automatics, plastic and cute. So... they got em. And its all good. Us older scooter people still like our Motorcycles and Scooters manual and all metal baby! |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by gitarzan on 01/31/05 at 12:37:20 The very first MC (whatever) I ever rode was a old Honda 50 about 1967. I still don't think I've ever had as much fun on a bike as that afternoon. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by slavy on 01/31/05 at 13:25:41 1.Stay away from anything made in China. 2. May be it will be good to ask Your dauther what does She preffer. 3.About scooters- even Vino becimes a lot of fun after You remove the restrictor in the exhaust. Hondas between 125 and 250 are good. Yamaha Riva 125 has plenty of power. I'll not go into the newer scooters , because they are ungodlyy expencive. 3. About the bikes- Rebel 250, Night hawk 250 , Virago 250 and 535. I am not a GZ250 fan, but may be it is just me. Good luck ! |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by sunny on 01/31/05 at 14:26:25 bentwheel wrote:
cheat on jack? NEVER! the girl would really like a scooter, but when i see the prices... ack! |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by Paladin on 01/31/05 at 14:42:11 sunny wrote:
I would not wish a MoPed upon my worst enemy. You NEED to be able to out-run traffic in order to keep up with traffic -- a 125cc minimum. Looking to keep the price down while not buying someone else's problems (buy new), I would offer the choice of: A small cruiser, the Kawasaki Eliminator 125, $2600, 291 pounds. A scooter, The Yamaha Vino 125, $2500, 229 pounds dry. The scooter has the more civilized image, automatic transmission, better wind and road yuck protection, and a dignified mounting. The Cruiser is a manual transmission, the rebel image, and requires an unladylike swinging the leg over to mount. So is the daughter a Mod or a Rocker? (Other choices, Honda 250 Rebel or Nighthawk, Honda 80cc or 250cc scooters, the Savage's little 250cc brother, and the Yamaha Virago V-Twin. And if she has no class whatsoever, the Kawasaki Ninja 250 is only $3000 and 304 pounds dry.) |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by sunny on 01/31/05 at 14:54:16 she's a rocker. i was looking at the honda ruckus but it's small in the cc department. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by cphilip on 01/31/05 at 15:33:38 Don't get the ruckus as its a 4 stroke and there is not much tuning you can do. Don't be afraid of a used Jap built scooter. They tough as nails. Go over to the International Scooterist BBS to their "new scooter forum". Thats where the automatic scooter peeps hang out. You might find a good deal. Also might want to watch the classifieds here http://scoot.net/ Some to look at... A company called Twist and Go.... basicaly a Yamaha Vino... Mugalati and Kimco. But if you want a 50cc scooter that can be made to get up to 50-55 you need a 2 stroke. Easy to kit and upgrade for like a few hundered bucks... I "might" have a mint Virago 250 for sale.... I say might. A tad over 300 miles on it. Where are you located? If your close to Austin I got some scooter contacts in that area.... but this Virago might be as low as 2 grand for it. I said mint right? :o |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by sunny on 01/31/05 at 15:44:49 i'm 35 miles due south of fort worth. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by klx650sm2002 on 02/01/05 at 01:22:42 There used to be a RD80LC over here, nice and light (185 lbs dry) and does 60mph, really good as long as you dont do motorways, ideal for commuter. I nearly got one as my first bike but the shop only had the 125 version. Clive W :D |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by Diane on 02/01/05 at 07:01:10 Forget the GZ250. That's what I learned to ride on and I knew I would never buy one. The center of gravity is higher making it feel heavier than the Savage, throttle response wasn't smooth and the shifter liked to hang up in neutral. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by Paladin on 02/01/05 at 07:50:30 sunny wrote:
Actually a 250 does highway just fine. My second bike was a Yamaha Twinjet -- a 100cc twin. Not watching where I was going I ended up on a freeway, laid down on the tank, and full throttle got up to 65mph. My DT175 with the highway cog did 65 easy. On my GS540E I backed off at 85, bike was quite willing to go faster. If the object is to keep her down from highway speeds I would go with an 80-125cc bike. But Diane has a good point. The Savage is a good starter bike, as well as being big enough to continue on forever. Have daughter sit on your Savage and, if she is comfortable on it, get her one also. Will make maintainence much simplier. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by Old Geezer on 02/01/05 at 10:54:02 My advice. Buy you a new Savage, give her yours, buy her some leather and introduce her to the world of cruisers. With the Savage, she will be able to load up her gear (mostly dirty laundry) and come home on the weekends. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by sunny on 02/01/05 at 11:14:47 actually what she is going to be doing is dual enrollment for her last year of high school. she will be a senior taking some college courses for credit. so she'll still be at home. and while i am letting her use whatever it is i buy, i will be the owner of it till she has her HS diploma. with diploma in hand i will sign over the bike to her. it's just a deal i made with my kids. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by sunny on 02/02/05 at 07:37:51 well, i printed out alot of pictures of the different scooters, mopeds and motorcycles that i could afford. she wants a motorcycle. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by Savage_Rob on 02/02/05 at 10:58:49 Imagine that! |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by Susan on 02/02/05 at 12:20:59 This is a good time to by a used Savage. You could even buy one elsewhere in the country and have it shipped if the price is right. If you see any in PA that you want checked out, I'd do it for you in a heartbeat. Good luck! |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by savagethumper on 02/03/05 at 18:19:18 You're a brave person, Sunny. I remember how inattentive I was till I was way out of college. If she tunes everyone out for a second, she'll be roadkill around all those idiot college kid drivers. The worst driving I've ever seen is always in college towns. Buy her a tank of a car, and let her take your bike out on weekends, so it's something special, instead of the daily routine. Plus, isn't the helmet gonna mess up her hair??? |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by sunny on 02/04/05 at 07:27:00 luckily for me, she isn't a girly girl... |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by savagethumper on 02/04/05 at 18:59:47 I know it was mentioned earlier, but Ninja 250's are generally inexpensive, and easy to maintain. They look just like the big boys, but not nearly as powerful, and a lot lees to insure.One of my friends recently sold a year old model with lees than 2000 miles for $1900. They're dime a dozen. A 250 Nighthawk is an excellent choice, too. I've ridden both, and they are a blast if you don't have to get on the highway. They get blown around like they were toys when you get up next to the big rigs. A Ninja 250 would be fun as hell on that Hwy 917 you ride on. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by Greg_650 on 02/07/05 at 05:21:27 First thing to do is to get her into an MSF course. That will decide what she drives to school. After all, partying is a part of college life that can't be ignored too easily....whether a car or bike, she will party anyway if she wants to. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by Red_Wine on 02/07/05 at 07:16:02 Any pictures of that not-so-girly girl that will join the motorcycle world and get spoiled in the process? Just make sure she learns to ride safely and proudly... once a biker, a biker for ever.... she's been warned.... KTRSD, RW |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by Paladin on 02/07/05 at 12:51:46 We still need pictures of a chain drive Savage 400. Pictures of yourself would also be appreciated. I've already extended the Map to cover South America. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by jbird on 02/08/05 at 03:38:25 ive a 91 pontac foe sale no back seat limit #of passengers took it out to haul fire wood 240000 miles sale real cheap new tires mud grips all around max speed 60 mph |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by Kropatchek on 02/08/05 at 07:30:13 Paladin wrote:
Here you go: http://www.geocities.com/ls400p/ Greetz Kropatchek ;D |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by Paladin on 02/08/05 at 08:04:52 Nice, but not RedWine's. I will not post pictures of other than our users and their bikes. Almost only counts in horseshoes. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by Red_Wine on 02/08/05 at 12:14:58 Paladin wrote:
OK, Paladin my friend I promise I'll post a few pictures of my chain-drive, 400cc Savage as soon as I get film or a new memory stick on any of my cameras. I hope that will be before Friday. Stay tuned (not stoned, ;) ) and take care. RW |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by Red_Wine on 02/08/05 at 12:17:53 And Sunny, does it mean that we'll have the chance to see some pictures of your not-girly girl if I post pictures of my Thumper??? ;) Don't worry, I'm happily married, and about 15 hours of flight away :D Take care, RW |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by sunny on 02/10/05 at 12:30:20 Greg_650 wrote:
i plan on getting her into the msf course right after she gets her license. she herself is not so much of a partyer, but she is rather gullible when it comes to the influence of other people. she's gotten in trouble just tagging along with her bipolar little sister. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by sunny on 02/10/05 at 12:32:16 Red_Wine wrote:
here she is: sweet 17 (http://gallery.jokeaday.com/gallery/albun19/3_fall_2004) |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by Paladin on 02/10/05 at 17:23:57 Snagged and modified slightly:http://savage.andruschak.net/Sunny_kid3_.jpg (http://savage.andruschak.net/Sunny_kid3.jpg) The quote is paraphrased from my eldest who was asking for a car. She got the car. p.s. I notice that, like mine, she stopped smiling for the pictures when she got into her teens.. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by sunny on 02/11/05 at 08:01:11 believe it or not, that IS a smile. just a very low key one not induced by caffiene. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by cphilip on 02/11/05 at 08:38:41 Well my Virago 250 is up for sale... in Market Place... long way to come get it though. But a mint bike at a very good price. If you were so inclined to travel. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by Greg_650 on 02/12/05 at 08:46:07 Cool little V-Twin. The last of the Viragos. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by Susan on 02/13/05 at 07:36:22 Just a note: I took cphilip's virago posting out of Marketplace since it is not Savage related but if you are interested Sunny, feel free to discuss it in this thread! I hope you find something that works for your daughter. :) |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by cphilip on 02/13/05 at 09:30:04 Well thats fine... I don't recall us being considered Savage snobs... but since we sell harley mufflers and such seems a bit too narrow not to allow other bikes for sale in there to members that like other bikes... Is that going to extend to other bikes discussion too? I have it posted at the Virago 250 Yahoo and on ISBBS as well. So no matter if its here. Just thought some member might be interested in it for situations like Sunny's. Sunny, here is a crapy phone cam picuture of it I took today. I put the new battery in it and ran it a while. I fear the distance it a bit too far for you to be interested. But... your not going to find a more mint one than this one. However I see them low mileage all the time. But I will get you some better quality pictures if you interested. Just don't have the good cam with me today. http://scoot.net/gallery/bbs/250Virago.jpg |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by Savage_Rob on 02/13/05 at 19:21:32 I have to agree with Susan on the Marketplace. I wouldn't necessarily call it Savage snobbery but this board is for Savage/S40 related stuff and the Marketplace and Technical Corner were created with that in mind. They could easily become unruly if there weren't some linkage to that primary ideal. The HD mufflers I've seen there have been spoken of for use on Savages. Just my opinion. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by cphilip on 02/14/05 at 19:12:31 Well... I agree to some extent... but the delema is that now we are saying if its not Savage spam it is alright to spam in Rubber Side down as long as you slip it into a thread. So thats the problem. If its not Savage it really leaves the poster a delema as to how to inform his Savage buddies of something else besides Savage stuff. And this is still spam. And its only here on this forum because I felt it was something a Savage owner was wanting to get a shot at. I have it plenty of places elsewhere so there was no real need to even put it on this forum except it came up in the course of discussion. But I did not really think it best to post it here in Main forum either. Not all those details. Thats the problem is its not really sutable here either what I posted over there and was removed. Notice I have not reposted it either. It was a lot of detail and pictures. First time it's come up I guess. Not certian there is a solution. Not a good one anyway. But I would rather not see spam in this forum either. But lets just assume its not going to develop this way again very often. Where someone is looking for a non Savage bike here and someone just happens to be about to let one go. Easy to assume. I mean its not going to happen very often I would think! 8) |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by gitarzan on 02/15/05 at 11:32:29 I'd say if it's for sale, put it in the For Sale Forum, whether it's a Savage, a Virago, Kittens or Stock Futures. If it's a earnest offering by a new or legitimate member, leave it there. It it's spam, like something for Online Pharmacies, Susan should kill it. If a newbie comes in an places an an ad for a Savage, OK. If a newbie comes in a places an ad for Viagra, it's outta here. If a contributing user say with 10 or 20 posts, wants to post something off topic, like hey, my dog had pups, want one?, let it ride for a little while. Susan can decide when it's old stuff. |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by cphilip on 02/15/05 at 11:36:42 Well again... I can see it both ways... and ya gotta have some cut off point least it get outa control Anywho.... I am going to put two of the pictures here then for anyone here that wants to see it and any more detailed close ups that anyone wants to see I will be glad to email them. Fair enough? http://scoot.net/gallery/bbs/Virago1.jpg http://scoot.net/gallery/bbs/Virago2.jpg |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by Susan on 02/15/05 at 14:51:53 Here's the deal: this forum is about the Savage. One of the things I really like about this forum is that it stays pretty darn focused on the Savage. In the main forum (Rubber Side Down), we sometimes have threads that are off topic and I think that is o.k to a certain extent. I don't think it would be good if 3 out of 4 topics had nothing to do with the Savage but the occasional one off topic by our regular members seem o.k. Lots of people have enjoyed cphilip's Vespa project, for example. Regarding the ad for the Virago, the Marketplace clearly states that it is for Savage-related items: "Post for sale or wanted Savage/S40 bikes, parts or related accessories". There are lots of other websites to post other things for sale. I think the line has to be drawn somewhere. It is nice to be able to go to the Marketplace and just see things that are Savage-related. Someone else recently posted another sort of bike for sale. I deleted that post too. The reason I told cphilip it was ok to mention the Virago here is because he was offering something that might be a response to a stated need another member (sunny) had already mentioned. A special circumstance. Anyway, I hope this clears up my approach. My goal is for us to continue to have a great Savage-focused forum! Ride on (or dream about riding on if you live in the great white north)! :D |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by gitarzan on 02/15/05 at 15:26:14 Yes, ma'am. ;D |
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Title: Re: another bike Post by Mr 650 on 02/15/05 at 23:14:00 Nice bike. somebody oughta snag it. |
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