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Message started by savagethumper on 01/09/05 at 16:11:56

Title: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by savagethumper on 01/09/05 at 16:11:56

I have picked up a very loud steady squeak that seems to be coming from the front belt pulley. Is there somethin' I can do to the belt to keep it from squeaking. I shot a little lube on the pulley (careful not to get any on the belt), and it had no affect. I'm assuming it's the belt now. Help! ???

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by Paladin on 01/09/05 at 16:29:22

If this started right after your ride in the mud I would suspect mud/dirt on the pulley.

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by gitarzan on 01/09/05 at 16:55:59

savagethumper wrote:

I had something like that. It was more a metallic gnashing. Turned out the front pulley was touching the cover. I ground way about 1/8" from the cover and that was taken care off.

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by savagethumper on 01/09/05 at 18:44:40

it did start before I went mudding. BTW

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by reeko on 01/10/05 at 00:11:49

I'v got same thing.. coming from front pulley. The belt is not centered, it's more on left side of pulley. Don't know what to do with it..

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by Kropatchek on 01/10/05 at 04:58:12

reeko wrote:

I'v got same thing.. coming from front pulley. The belt is not centered, it's more on left side of pulley. Don't know what to do with it..

And @ savagethumper

NEVER lubricate the belt. :-[
Clean with soapy water and let dry.

Center the belt with the rearwheel adjusters, wheel off the ground and turning in the normal direction.

Tighten the belt by turning the adjusters equaly on both sides.

If the special tool from your Savage toolbox is not available, tighten untill you can rotate the belt 90 degrees with normal finger force.
Succes
Greetz
Kropatchek ;D

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by reeko on 01/11/05 at 00:15:23

is it possible to center front pulley by centering rear wheel? I'll have to try..
I'v got no special tool.. what do you mean by "finger force"? :)

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by Kropatchek on 01/11/05 at 03:13:26

reeko wrote:

is it possible to center front pulley by centering rear wheel? I'll have to try..
I'v got no special tool.. what do you mean by "finger force"? :)

The fron pulley is fixed to the engine, so cannot be moved sideways unless you use spacers.

By finger force I mean : when you can rotate the belt with your fingers only.

Greetz
Kropatchek ;D

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by Greg_650 on 01/15/05 at 09:14:16

Kropatchek wrote:

The fron pulley is fixed to the engine, so cannot be moved sideways unless you use spacers.

By finger force I mean : when you can rotate the belt with your fingers only.

Greetz
Kropatchek ;D

2 things....could cause this.

If it is "squeaking". it can be a dirty belt. Clean the belt. No lube. You can use some belt wax though. Then stay out of the mud holes or get a KLX :P The rear tire throws too much right onto the swingarm and the belt....

Or, check the tension the way others have mentioned. If the belt is too tight, it will squeak. If you adjust the rear wheel alignment do the tension adjust at the same time.

Now...if it is "scraping" that can be the pulley cover and most likely the spacers for the bolts are installed wrong. Those 3 bolts have different spacers and if they get mixed up (easy to do), the pulley will rub the cover.

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by reeko on 01/16/05 at 23:51:09

I'm just wondering.. Does the rear wheel have to be centered according to rear fender?? I'v got the wheel more to the left side.. and by that way the tyre is rubbing inside nuts which are holding fender left chrome plate when there's two people on the bike.. Is it normal or not?? ???

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by diesel on 01/17/05 at 00:27:37

It is if your running a 140 90.

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by Kropatchek on 01/17/05 at 03:56:58

reeko wrote:

The rearwheel is centered acc. the fender on my bike.

Maybe the spacers got mixed up ( by a previous owner?) :-[

As you can see in the flw link spacers 19 and 20 have different partnumbers so should be in the correct location and #18 should be correctly positioned ( don't worry about the spacer #2 inbetween the bearing, that does not come loose)

http://www.ronayers.com/fiche/300_0039/rear_wheel/rear_wheel.cfm

Greetz
Kropatchek

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by reeko on 01/17/05 at 04:09:40

Maybe that's the point. Cause the belt is on the rear pulley more to right side and on the front pulley it's more on left side. I'll have to chceck it out.. Thank's for good idea.. ;)

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by Greg_650 on 01/20/05 at 16:38:04

If the spacers are resersed for the rear wheel, that will be a new one for this forum....

Let us know.

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by Savage_Rob on 01/21/05 at 06:07:25

reeko wrote:

I have to agree with Diesel. From the time I purchased my '98 last July, it was always slightly offset to the left with regard to the fender. However, the belt was lined up perfectly on both sprockets and there was never any rubbing until I changed to a 140/90 instead of the original 140/80. After that it definitely rubbed. It is still offset exactly the same and the belt still lines up. I removed the saddlebag supports and it still rubbed very slightly (of course, I am 200 lbs and have a trunk on the bike pretty full of stuff too). I adjusted the shocks up from the #3 position to the #5 position and it seemed to have stopped except on rough roads. I went ahead and replaced the bolts with button head allen bolts and that has solved it completely. If the spacers are reversed, mine has been that way since I bought it from the original owner.

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by Greg_650 on 01/21/05 at 11:43:38

Nope. There is an offset of the rear wheel that is correct. "Over-stock" size tires also normally rub on the bolts for the saddle bag supports too. I think that the difference would be if someone tried to "correct" the normal offset by changing the axle bolt spacers around.

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by Savage_Rob on 01/21/05 at 12:07:49

Thanks Greg. :D That at least puts my mind at ease. I was starting to wonder ever so slightly if mine was somehow offset incorrectly, even though I was fairly certain that my tire changeout was the first time that the rear wheel had been removed.

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by reeko on 01/23/05 at 23:14:38

I'v got 140/80..
Didn't have time to put down the wheel and check the spacers, as soon I'll do that, I'll let you know about it.. 8)

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by reeko on 02/07/05 at 03:48:20

So I checked that spacers.. didn't have to put down the wheel.. I could see just with eyes that spacer on the left side is bigger that one one right side.. So sill don't know why my wheel is more to the left side.. ???

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by Greg_650 on 02/07/05 at 05:13:10

reeko wrote:

The wheel does appear to be offset but it is just an illusion. as it is still in line with the front wheel that way.

Back to the squeak part....it is almost impossible to get the belt to be perfectly centered on the pulley. There is a little bearing play in the pulley and it mounts to the wheel with rubber bushings, so the pulley isn't so rigidly mounted that you can really center the belt. One small turn on the adjusters can make it go from one side to the other quickly. Besides there is only about 1/16" gap between the belt and pulley rim anyway.

The squeak is from either dirt or too much tension on the belt. Get the wheel adjusters positioned equally with the correct belt tension, and then make sure the belt is clean. That should fix you up.

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by savagethumper on 02/07/05 at 10:10:03

Took it for a spin the other day to wash it off, and possibly remedy the squeaking. I noticed it was quiet as can be. I wonder if the change in temperature was a factor. It was a lot colder the last time I rode it. Maybe it made the belt draw up and be too tight. Anyway, thanx for all the help. I'm sure I'll need it eventually.

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by reeko on 02/07/05 at 23:16:49

Greg it's not an illusion while the tyre is rubbing left nuts ... :-/ ::)

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by Greg_650 on 02/08/05 at 05:16:54

savagethumper wrote:

A "too tight belt" will squeak too :o

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by Greg_650 on 02/08/05 at 05:20:27

reeko wrote:

Greg it's not an illusion while the tyre is rubbing left nuts ... :-/ ::)

Maybe "illusion" was the wrong word. The wheel IS offset in the fender normally.

There is a mechanical reason for the tire rubbing the nuts. Guess that it's time to get to work with some wrenches. What has been added or changed from stock?

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by Savage_Rob on 02/08/05 at 11:33:32

reeko wrote:

Greg it's not an illusion while the tyre is rubbing left nuts ... :-/ ::)

Wear some skivvies man! Keep your nuts off the tires!

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by gitarzan on 02/08/05 at 15:19:20

Savage_Rob wrote:

Wear some skivvies man! Keep your nuts off the tires!

Squeaking? You'd hear screaming if it was mine.

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by reeko on 02/08/05 at 23:50:45

Greg_650: It's all original nothing changed. There's 140/80. If I'll have chance I'll take a photo..

Savage_Rob, gitarzan : ;D

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by Greg_650 on 02/09/05 at 05:22:03

A good picture of the rear tire from a low angle, looking at both shocks and the wheel adjusters might help me get and idea.

Also. a picture of the front pulley cover, too. You can send them to me offlist, if you have trouble posting them (but I'm sure that everyone wants to see also :)

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by Greg_650 on 02/09/05 at 05:23:36

gitarzan wrote:

Squeaking? You'd hear screaming if it was mine.

Someone needs better support 8)

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by reeko on 02/14/05 at 00:57:30

http://reeko.host.sk/savage/01.jpg
http://reeko.host.sk/savage/05.jpg
http://reeko.host.sk/savage/02.jpg
http://reeko.host.sk/savage/03.jpg
http://reeko.host.sk/savage/04.jpg

sorry for the quality, it was taken by mobile phone.. :-/

what am I doing wrong? the pictures are:
http://reeko.host.sk/savage/01.jpg
http://reeko.host.sk/savage/05.jpg
http://reeko.host.sk/savage/02.jpg
http://reeko.host.sk/savage/03.jpg
http://reeko.host.sk/savage/04.jpg

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by Greg_650 on 02/16/05 at 05:31:36

reeko wrote:

I tried to view the pictures, but I keep getting a "Forbidden" warning when I visit the site.

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by reeko on 02/16/05 at 23:12:42

I don't understand that.. when I click on that links I got forbidden message too.. but I just click refresh and it's ok..

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by Greg_650 on 02/17/05 at 05:39:14

I tried that, and it worked, too.

I just wonder if your belt is too tight, and/or maybe needs a good cleaning.

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by reeko on 02/18/05 at 00:30:19

I dunno if the tension is ok, cause I don't have the belt tension tool :D. I'm planing to put new paint on front pulley, clean the belt and make some covering at the front side of rear wheel to protect belt from dirt..

But I still wonder, if that rear wheel is centered well..

Title: Re: Squeaky, Squeaky
Post by Greg_650 on 02/18/05 at 06:30:17

reeko wrote:

Just check the marks on the wheel adjusters and the swing arm. Make them the same. That will be close enough for centering.

Since you don't have a tension gage, try to experiment. Since it squeaks, what do you have to lose? Try to back off the tension on the adjuster (on both sides) about 1/2 mark on the swing arm. Then go for a ride and test.

As for dirt on the belt, I don't have a belt guard anymore. I took it completely off (brackets too). But I did buy some JC Whitney mud flaps and mounted one inside the rear fender. I did have to make some spacers to run the bolts through, but this keeps dirt off my swing arm and belt.

http://home.comcast.net/~gmdinusa/MudFlap01web.jpg