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Title: New Tires Post by Michael on 01/05/05 at 20:32:38 Hey all: I am ready to replace the tires on my Savage. It is a 2000, and the tires are orrigional. The front tire shows little signs of wear, but the back one definetly needs relaced. Due to the fact that they are five years old, I have decided to replace both. My question is, considering the variables below, should i go with the factory installed Metzler brand, or choose another brand? Being in New Brunswick Canada, I ride in rain, fog, drizzle, etc....often. I need a tire that has maximun grip in wet conditions. If there is such a thing, I want tires that channel water to avoid hydroplaning. I also love to lean in ideal driving conditions. I love the twisties, and often hit them faster than I probally should. I need a tire with maximun road/tire adhesion, with a tread that isn't going to wear down like the eraser on a pencil. I don't mind paying more, for a tire that is going to last, and possibly save my life. What have you people tried? Any Suggestions?...... Thank you in advance.............cheere Michael |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by Paladin on 01/05/05 at 22:22:42 As I am a very conservative rider, I picked up Dunlop D404's from Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse (http://www.accwhse.com/default.htm) $41 front / 54 rear, plus shipping. Dunlop's site has an interesting Frequently Asked Questions (http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/infocenter_faq.asp) section. You can have fantastic traction or decent mileage, but not both with the same tire. |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by Kropatchek on 01/06/05 at 03:01:49 I also frequent a German forum. Here in Europe the Mettzlers 880 are the favorite Greetz Kropatchek ;D |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by Savage_Rob on 01/06/05 at 05:33:21 Justbe careful with the Dunlop fitment guide. It will indicate a 140/90-15 for the rear while the original is a 140/80-15. The drawback is that the bolts inside the fender (when using the stock Suzuki saddlebag supports) will rub with the 90 instead of the 80. Also, the speedometer will no longer be accurate with the 90. I just bought the Dunlop 491 Elite II's for both tires a couple of weeks ago and I like them. They are long-wearing all-season tires. I did remove my saddlebag supports since I am using a rear-mounted trunk but will be looking into an alternative means of mounting them since I intend to eventually remove the trunk and bob the rear a bit. The Metzeler tires also have great reviews though they were more expensive. They actually offer the 80mm rear tire though. |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by thehoghunter on 01/06/05 at 10:55:53 Savage_Rob wrote: Quote:
Wouldn't changing tire size only cause accuracy issues if the speedometer is off the back or front wheel? Coming off the tranny, shouldn't it still be the same? |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by Savage_Rob on 01/06/05 at 11:23:56 I don't think so. It seems to me that each RPM will be a greater distance with a larger drive tire than that for which it was spec'd. |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by Max_Morley on 01/06/05 at 12:26:18 I've run the 140/90 and it is taller and does affect the speedo/odometer readings. Also allowed me to cruise at 70 indicated very smoothly. Noticed now that I am bacl to stock size sweet spot is about 67 or so indicated. I solved the bag bracket bolt interference by using a allen hex flat head bolt in place of the hex one. I have had good luck with Dunlops, Elite II and now K-555 that is fitment for a Honda PC-800 touring bike. |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by Savage_Rob on 01/06/05 at 14:30:10 I read somewhere that the speed difference is about 4% but I haven't bothered to check that. |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by Honda_fan on 01/06/05 at 18:44:58 Max_Morley wrote:
Max, You should get fantastic mileage from the K555. I ran those on my PC800 and got about 18K out of them on average. They also have decent grip wet & dry. With the light weight of the Savage I would expect around 20K out of them depending on conditions. |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by klx650sm2002 on 01/07/05 at 00:50:08 With the 140/90/15 you will be going 4.6 % faster than the speedo says. Clive W :D |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by Savage_Rob on 01/07/05 at 05:28:23 klx650sm2002 wrote:
Thanks Clive. So as a rough rule of thumb, add 1 for every 22... Speedo says 22, think 23 Speedo says 44, think 46 Speedo says 66, think 69 Simple enough for me. |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by lancer27 on 01/07/05 at 06:41:14 Since motorcycle speedo's are historically inaccurate...reading higher than actual...this should put the indicated and actual speed in line with each other. |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by klx650sm2002 on 01/07/05 at 07:17:28 Yes I agree. Clive W :D |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by Savage_Rob on 01/07/05 at 07:38:43 AND... as you wear away the tread through normal use, your actual speed relative to the speedometer's reading decreases... though I would doubt it could be an appreciable amount. |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by thehoghunter on 01/07/05 at 07:58:59 So then the general rule of thumb is if the cop pulls you over you were going to fast! Bad cop - no doughnut! |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by HotFix on 01/07/05 at 09:50:24 [comic_guy_voice]let us not forget that once rotational speed increases so does the centrifugal force. Thereby increasing the diameter of said tires and thus affecting transmission to actual speed ratio[\comic_guy_voice] |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by gitarzan on 01/07/05 at 10:04:40 From what I've seen the Metz's seem to hit the sweet spot, but any new quality tire should work better than what you got. |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by Savage_Rob on 01/07/05 at 10:17:51 HotFix wrote:
[similarly_silly_voice] And in turns, the contact patch is not on the outer periphery, also affecting the actual speed. |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by Savage_Rob on 01/07/05 at 10:39:44 In all fairness, I don't really check the speedometer all that often. I usually stay with the flow of traffic in the city. Elsewhere, I check it now and again but mostly just go by feel. |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by Michael on 01/10/05 at 15:06:04 Thanks for the input everyone. Think I will stick with Metzler ;D cheers..... Michael |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by Savage_Rob on 01/10/05 at 19:58:23 Might not be a bad idea. Even though I removed the saddlebag supports, the tire was still rubbing on the left side. I shifted my shocks from the #3 position to the #5 position which is a definite improvement because I don't hear any rubbing anymore but I'm not convinced it has entirely stopped. I'm 200 lbs (after the holidays) and there's probably another 10-15 lbs of stuff in my trunk. I may wind up changing the bolts to a "lower profile" to get it to stop or find another solution (short of switching to an 80mm tire). |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by Michael on 01/11/05 at 11:53:49 Hey All Just checked the price of the metzelers: With a 25% discount because it is winter here, the back tyre is $185 + 15% sales tax front $133 + 15% sales tax for a grand total of $365.70 :-/ Now I have to decide if my life is worth that much money...Wife says NO....lol I will probally get them, but they are twice the price of some....But I do like the feel of the ones I have. I have ridden in heavy rain (not by choice) at 50-60mph with no hydroplaning.....Dealer told me that most of the high end bikes come with Metzelers......anyone know of a discount tire company in Canada???.....with the exchange, and the border hassle, plus shipping, I try to avoid buying Stateside....No offence my American buds..............cheers Michael |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by sluggo on 01/11/05 at 12:17:17 Michael wrote:
no offense taken we all know that canda has the best buds ;D well at least i do. |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by Savage_Rob on 01/20/05 at 05:48:45 I replaced the bolts with buttonhead allen bolts. It's not as easy to remove/replace them (until I obtain a low-profile ratcheting 5mm allen wrench), but they don't rub at all. |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by Michael on 01/20/05 at 08:22:07 Savage_Rob wrote:
Rob...glad you found a solution for the problem.....cheers Michael |
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Title: Re: New Tires Post by klx650sm2002 on 01/21/05 at 01:58:27 I use aluminium button head allen bolts to hold KLX's plastic bodywork on. Clive W :D |
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