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Message started by rocknrob on 08/17/04 at 17:34:03

Title: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Savage?
Post by rocknrob on 08/17/04 at 17:34:03

Okay,
Looking to replacing the original stock muffler here in the near future and reading all of these posts, it seems that the "Jardine and HD Sportsters" are the only two mufflers talked about. A buddy at work who's big into Motocross said to get a Cobra muffler but I'm not finding one for our beloved Savage. Is this true?? I am definatley wanted a more beefier sound. Done the drilled baffle thing and it sounds ok but I want it better.
Help me out Thumpers!!

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by Jon on 08/17/04 at 18:27:56

Apparently no Cobra, but Dennis Kirk lists two others for the LS650:

http://tinyurl.com/5qlaq

The SuperTrapp sounds good and is adjustable for db's.

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by Greg_650 on 08/18/04 at 02:23:17

There are plenty of slip-ons that will fit, but ones that are specific to the Savage will also mount on the muffler bracket correctly. None of the Harley slip-ons (obviously) are made for the Savage, but people get them because of the cost. They take modification to mount on the bike.

There are 3 pipes that I know of for the Savage. Jardine, SuperTrapp (as Jon said), and the Raask. We have the last 2 in our house. The SuperTrapp is the best slip-on in my opinion because I've read of a lot of people bothered with loose baffles in the Jardine. They sound pretty much the same, but the Trapp is tuneable. The Raask is a complete pipe (like a Cobra exhaust) but is more expensive.

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by klx650sm2002 on 08/18/04 at 05:51:39

Has anybody tried the Miller, looks the biz but might be a bit short to work properly.

Clive W :D

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by klx650sm2002 on 08/18/04 at 06:10:41

On My KLX I have a Baker/Watson black pipe, 38mm at the port tapering to 41.45, works well, no port restiiction.

Clive W :D

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by Susan on 08/18/04 at 08:33:23

A quick question on this. We have an annual inspection in PA. If I made a change like this would the bike still pass inspection or would I need to put the stock muffler back on for inspection? I know most of you aren't from PA and can't speak to PA requirements but would be interested in your perspective/experience in other states. Thanks!

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by Richard L.Cooper Jr. on 08/18/04 at 08:48:11

i live in pa as well... i have a jardine on my bike and i have not had a problem with inspection at all

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by klx650sm2002 on 08/18/04 at 10:54:09

Over here (UK) you can have any pipe you like as long as it's quiet enough.

Clive W

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by jajke on 08/27/04 at 11:27:43

Greg_650 wrote:

Greg,

Do you recall which model of the SuperTrapp will fit the Savage? Mine is a 2002 but I assume that even a 2001 model should fit.

Thank you!

Jaime

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by Mr 650 on 08/27/04 at 14:10:33

I have one right here Supertrapp 728-50650.
I am patiently waiting for the UPS truck as tracking shows my freshly coated headpipe out for delivery.
I got sniped on a 6-pack of additional diffuser rings today. Then I read this on the Supertrapp website;
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:KtOd0U8vkdAJ:www.supertrapp.com/Pipeline/SuperTrapp%25202_1.htm+Supertrapp+405-3046&hl=en
So I seached Yahoo, Google & Froogle and only Summit had the 405-30464 competition cap. It ought to sound great, ;D

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by Greg_650 on 08/28/04 at 05:03:28

Mr 650 wrote:

Does "sniped" mean that you got the extra 6 pack or not? Not sure that I'm up on that term...old brain :P

Anyway, you can run 14 disks very nicely on the Trapp, but don't forget the jets. AND, do not spare the use of the copper anti-sieze lube on the stainless steel bolt threads for the disks. Be generous. If you don't use the anti-sieze you'll regret it if you ever ever try to remove the bolts.

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by Munson_kl279 on 09/01/04 at 08:51:06

Does anyone know the diameter of the pipe off hand?

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by Mr 650 on 09/01/04 at 16:21:12

Munson_kl279 wrote:

Does anyone know the diameter of the pipe off hand?

sorry, My dial caliper walked off,but I measured the headpipe to muffler with my tape a couple weeks ago and it's 1.5".

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by Mr 650 on 09/01/04 at 16:43:14

Greg_650 wrote:

Thanks, I will get some anti-sieze.
Is the copper High heat? "silver" is all I got.
"sniped" is when someone bids within the last seconds of an ebay auction's closing, preventing you from countering before the auction times out.
I can't complain too much. I've done it too.
I plan to use the Supertrapp competion end cap.
It is louder and replaces a bunch of discs according to Supertrapp (forget how many like 9-10) FYI; not the same as taking a 1" hole saw to the std. end cap. Supertrapp says that will screw up the acoustics and make the carb go lean. It looks like a cone shaped cap w/ about a 1 "hole in it to me tho.
I am still waiting for that cap to arrive.
However if the comp cap works, I might take a hole saw to the original just for experimental purposes, then pound it into a similar cone shape to see the difference. ;D

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by Mr 650 on 09/07/04 at 18:37:05

My Supertrapp "Open end cap # 405-3046 came today.
FYI;The cone is stamped "FOR CLOSED COURSE COMPETITION USE ONLY", so it's gotta be louder AND faster right?! ;D ;D
http://www.icestormcity.com/elsnod/sprtconesmall.jpg
This is a poor (indoor) shot of the 'Trapp w/ the used headpipe I got off ebay & coated. It wasn't just blue it was 'preyple':
http://www.icestormcity.com/elsnod/pipe%20009.jpg
I am hoping the supplied 8 disks will be about right for this and I can cork it back up if I need to w/ closed cap.
Still waiting for NOS carb.
FYI;from Supertrapp site, Harley 2:1 tuning:
"We do not suggest removing the muffler packing material to "get more noise". Removing the packing will result in a loss of power due to the sound waves not being absorbed into the material thus causing a restrictive wave in the core. The core was designed to flow with the packing installed, removing it will also have an effect on the jetting in most cases causing a lean condition.

Removing the closed end disc and running just the polished end cap with or without the discs will also cause the jetting to go lean and lose power. If you must have more noise, we suggest you get the optional 4 inch open end cap (p/n 405-3046) and run 9 discs. This set up has the same flow as the 20 discs and the closed end disc but it will add more noise."

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by Greg_650 on 09/08/04 at 03:25:57

Mr 650 wrote:

My Supertrapp "Open end cap # 405-3046 came today.
FYI;The cone is stamped "FOR CLOSED COURSE COMPETITION USE ONLY", so it's gotta be louder AND faster right?! ;D ;D
This is a poor (indoor) shot of the 'Trapp w/ the used headpipe I got off ebay & coated. It wasn't just blue it was 'preyple':

I am hoping the supplied 8 disks will be about right for this and I can cork it back up if I need to w/ closed cap.
Still waiting for NOS carb.
FYI;from Supertrapp site, Harley 2:1 tuning:
"We do not suggest removing the muffler packing material to "get more noise". Removing the packing will result in a loss of power due to the sound waves not being absorbed into the material thus causing a restrictive wave in the core. The core was designed to flow with the packing installed, removing it will also have an effect on the jetting in most cases causing a lean condition.

Removing the closed end disc and running just the polished end cap with or without the discs will also cause the jetting to go lean and lose power. If you must have more noise, we suggest you get the optional 4 inch open end cap (p/n 405-3046) and run 9 discs. This set up has the same flow as the 20 discs and the closed end disc but it will add more noise."

Is the coating sort of an anodized gold color?

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by klx650sm2002 on 09/08/04 at 05:29:01

I understand the quest for more power but not more noise, go with the 20 discs so we don't all get a bad name.

Clive W :D

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by Greg_650 on 09/08/04 at 08:34:27

Too late! I may have done that already :P

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by Mr 650 on 09/08/04 at 11:30:38

Greg_650 wrote:

Is the coating sort of an anodized gold color?

No, it was shot indoors w/ a mix of fluorescent, incandescent and flash
The coating is silver.
I don’t get many good indoor shots w/ my snap shooter.
The system looks better than the picture. In addition, Supertrapp comes w/ new heat shield and copper anti-seize

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by Mr 650 on 09/08/04 at 11:40:15

klx650sm2002 wrote:

I understand the quest for more power but not more noise, go with the 20 discs so we don't all get a bad name.

Clive W :D

I can't be any worse than local urban democrats riding up and down my street at all hours in their thumping hoopdees ;D

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by klx650sm2002 on 09/09/04 at 04:22:25

Yes I suppose a big single is quite a friendly sound, not like the noise that My old 350LC with expansion chambers used to make.

Clive W :D

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by klx650sm2002 on 09/09/04 at 04:27:30

Yes I used to be a yob, wheelies in town etc.

Clive W :D

Title: Re: Does COBRA make a slip on muffler for the Sava
Post by Mr 650 on 09/09/04 at 08:16:31

klx650sm2002 wrote:

Yes I suppose a big single is quite a friendly sound, not like the noise that My old 350LC with expansion chambers used to make.
Yes I used to be a yob, wheelies in town etc.

Clive W :D

Me too. Spent lots of time on the back wheel. If memory serves, I traded a new pair of Holley 660's for a new set of Jardine chambers. The guy at Leo's Kawy had a new tunnel ram, and we both got parts for cost. They had the built in silencers, nice. If I just putted below the "happy" revs, it was not too obnoxious. But it made lots of noise on the back wheel. Hi-ho -Silver! 8)