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Title: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Susan on 07/31/04 at 13:45:10 I am installing saddlebags (Willie & Max compact slant; Suzi brackets). I will be putting them across the regulator under a custom piece I am building to replace the pillion seat. My question is whether it would be an issue to place the saddlebag laceups directly on the regulator. Does it get too hot? I am guessing that this is not an issue but wanted to doublecheck. Thanks again, Susan |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Kropatchek on 07/31/04 at 16:47:51 No problem. I've been riding withe the leather over the regulator this year. ;D |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by savagethumper on 07/31/04 at 19:23:39 Should be no problem, I've had the W&M bags since I've had the bike, and they go right over the regulator. And I'm in the good Texas heat, too. |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Greg_650 on 08/01/04 at 03:54:32 That shouldn't be a problem but you are right to be concerned about the cooling fins on the regulator...after all, why are they there, right? To be prudent and not to place too much pressure on the regulator/fender, when I reinstalled my seat I merely cut out the leather to allow the bags to hang around the regulator. The fins are still exposed. That way, I didn't have to use a lot of pressure to get the seat back on. What kind of custom piece are you putting in place of the pillon seat? |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Susan on 08/01/04 at 07:41:11 Greg_650 wrote:
Well since I am a new rider and not planning on carrying a passenger for a while (and can do without the space to carry gear for now), I don't need the seat or sissy bar. Given that I would like a sleeker look to the bike so we are building a special piece to replace the seat. Basically we are building a fiberglass piece (over the plastic seat piece) that will be painted to match the bike. We are using the plastic piece as a base. This will make it easy to attach to the bike and easy to put the seat back on if I ever want it (the plastic piece can be easily switched between the custom piece and the pillion seat). The process is: take the seat apart, cover the holes in the plastic piece with duct tape, cover the plastic piece in clay (to protect the plastic and make it removable), put the first layer of fiberglass on, and then build up addtl layers of fiberglass, with lots of sanding and eventually paint it. It will take a while but once the project is done, I will let you know how it turns out. Susan P.S. If you have any thoughts/concerns or questions about the project, please don't hesitate to chime in. I have thick skin and would rather hear a question now that might save me trouble down the road! ;) |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Greg_650 on 08/01/04 at 08:38:19 Well, as my goal is a solo bike, I'll be interested to see the results of your project...which isn't much more radical than mine. At this time my goal is a solo seat with back rest and or some kind of rack or luggage compartment over the rear fender...which would center the weight over the rear wheel, not behind it The project started last winter with the removal of the rear footpegs (no passengers)....I did not just remove them, either. I removed the swingarm, ground off the footpeg mounts, welded the holes closed and smoothed the whole thing with Bondo. With a good coat of primer and lacquer paint you can't even tell if they ever existed. |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Greg_650 on 08/01/04 at 08:42:25 Oh yeah, since my airbox is gone and the ignition unit is inside my "tool kit" cover, I'm at a stage to determine where to move the regulator/rectifier....most of my hiding places are gone so my attention will be on a new battery box and maybe it will go to that location too. |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Susan on 08/01/04 at 19:57:38 Greg_650 wrote:
Sounds like you are making amazing progress. Do you have an up-to-date pic you wouldn't mind sharing? I'd love to see it. I will keep you posted on my various projects, although they will be slow for now as I'd rather ride now and do more work over the winter. I am trying to get this piece done sooner but we'll see. Had a great ride tonight. Went riding with our neighbors for the first time with me on my own bike. Lots of back country hilly twistys. Very fun. Am trying really hard not to get overconfident, however, 'cause I know that's when I'll blow it. |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Greg_650 on 08/02/04 at 02:48:04 If you click the link in my signature file below and go to "gallery 3", you'll find our bike pictures. |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Mr650 on 08/05/04 at 10:45:47 Hello Ms. Sue & Fellow Savages, I have the large W&M Gray Thunder (#746 ?) http://www.willieandmax.com/746onfxstc.jpg I mounted them under the seat, which covers the electronics. I believe there is enough turbulence at speed to keep these cool not to mention the rear fender is a kind of heat sink. They have been on 3 months and have ridden over W. TN & N. MS temps in upper 90s w/o any probs. I wish I found ya'll a year ago. This is a great forum. I bought my 650 last March. It had been sitting in the back of the dealer for about a year, w/ rear rack and saddlebag brackets, a small scrape on brake rez. cover and pipe from a ‘drop’, only 436 mile on the 'clock'. I offered $2500 for it and was surprised when the said yes, w/o hesitation. (D**n, I bid too high) So since I was broke, I said can I put that on my card? He thought for a minute this time,...OK. Anyway, I picked it up the next day as the Battery needed a charge and they changed the oil to boot. This spring I added the W&M bags and the light smoke (clear) fly screen to pimp it a little. I purchased one complete exhaust system on ebay w/ minimal bluing, and w/ a 1/2" service bit, open the frt. baffle and the rear baffle plug. It helped the sound some but not quite what I had in mind. I have uncovered and adjusted the carb idle mixture. The bluing is coming in now that I have 3700 miles on my 650, so I plan to send the other head pipe off for coating. I crew for a sportsman racer here and we found a guy out east, He did a set of zoomies w/ a silver coating that polished to high reflectivity, near chrome, better than the Jet-Hot I have seen. Many report the Supertrapp is best performance/deal. I ordered a new Supertrapp this week. (I bid on that ebay Supertrapp too, Junkboy bumped the bid 4 times up to my max, then crawfished, thanks). I plan to do the carb needle spacer thing and/or re-jet w/ a 150. I like my economy and hope this will stop the bluing w/o fattening the mixture to much. Greg what do you think about the 150 ,will it prevent bluing the Supertrapp? Thanks to all for the good input, Scot |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Greg_650 on 08/05/04 at 13:20:44 Actually, I'd go to a #152, but I'd only reduce the spacer thickness...not just remove it. You probably know that the 2 items work at different stages of the throttle openning, and if you wouldn't go "all the way" with the main jet to say a #155 then why do the same with the spacer? Someone else noted that a #4 washer does the job nicely In truth with my Raask pipe, I'm a lean still and think that I may need to decrease my pilot jet and increase the main to a #157.5 or a #160...while leaving the spacer alone. My spouse is running a Supertrapp w/ 14 disks, a #152 and .060 spacer. Between the 2 bikes (I occassionally ride hers to work to keep it charged), I'd say that hers actually has the better low end grunt while mine is better in mid-range. I think that hers is better "tuned" overall and I'm still a little lean :-/ But neither of us have any bluing anyway.... |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Greg_650 on 08/05/04 at 13:29:05 Oh yeah....a couple months ago, I helped a guy with his backfiring problem on his '97 Savage. Since his center baffle is drilled out on his stock muffler, we put a #152 in there. He didn't want to mess with the spacer at that time, so we left it alone. He has since reported that his backfires are gone with only small pops on decel. If someone can run a #152 with a modified stock muffler, you know that it will work with a SuperTrapp. Our little thumpers are Really, Really, Really lean from the factory :o |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Mr650 on 08/05/04 at 13:56:14 Thanks, Ever run a 152 w/o the modification to the spacer, in other words, leave the needle w/ stock white spacer and a 152 jet? |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Greg_650 on 08/05/04 at 14:16:23 As I mentioned in tha last post. Yes. But that was with a stock muffler.. It got the #152 w/o a spacer change. With a SuperTrapp, I believe that your whole throttle range will be too lean. The #152 will be great 1/2 to full throttle, but I think that you may encounter some popping above idle to 1/2 throttle. Aside from taking the seat and tank off, the spacer is easy to get to....actually, you don't have to remove the carb itself for either part as long as you don't round out one of the phillips screws :o |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Mr650 on 08/05/04 at 14:32:29 Yeah should have said w/ her Supertrapp, about 25 years ago I put a set of chambers on my Kawasaki S-2 triple. the recommended jet was like 3 sizes larger and a spent a couple afternoons doing holeshots, raising and lowering the needles, fouling plugs and wound up w/ the stock mains in it and a only raised the needles up one...then it ran good enough to go thru 2 clutches before Barnett springs were installed |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Greg_650 on 08/06/04 at 02:04:04 Well, actually it was my SuperTrapp until I bought the Raask. The Trapp sat around for a while before she wanted it installed on her bike....then it became her SuperTrapp. Ah, the old 2 stroke triples....those were the days. Almost an apples and oranges comparison with the thumper though. Those were oil injection motors, right? Were they rotary disk or reed valve engines. I too remember the day of needles with slots for adjusting the height. Weren't those triples known for the center cylinder running hotter than the outer 2? |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Susan on 08/06/04 at 06:13:58 Hey Mr650, Thanks for the note and welcome to the forum. Where ya from? |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Mr650 on 08/06/04 at 08:49:12 Gracelandl! |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by klx650sm2002 on 08/06/04 at 09:11:18 The GT750 and the racing model TR were both piston ported, very small piston ports. Clive W |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Mr650 on 08/06/04 at 09:15:13 You mean the H2? |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by klx650sm2002 on 08/06/04 at 09:34:09 Sorry I was thinking of the Suzuki ??? Clive W |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by klx650sm2002 on 08/06/04 at 09:36:24 Which did you have in mind Greg. Clive W |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Mr650 on 08/06/04 at 11:07:54 Yup the S-2 had dinky carbs & ports too. I opened the intakes up a little, but never got a set off bigger ones. It was sort of the evil opposite of a Savage, ours make torque as soon as we crank em! Kawy bogged a bit then stood on it's hind legs. :o klx650sm2002 wrote:
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by klx650sm2002 on 08/06/04 at 11:37:04 S2, that's the 350 is it. ??? Clive W |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Mr650 on 08/06/04 at 12:26:34 Yup. It had clip-ons, rearsets & chambers. Ate 750 hondas up. |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by AL_DOWN_UNDER on 08/06/04 at 12:40:02 SORRY I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT REGULATORS AND SADDLE BAGS |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by klx650sm2002 on 08/06/04 at 12:40:18 I used to run a RD350LC, pipes, flat bars, rear sets and K+N filters with a Ledar jet kit. Wheelies ;D ;D ;D. I now have a KLX650 supermoto, the usual wheels, brakes, tires. But with one off exhaust and keihin FCR41 carb.Not quite so many wheelies ;D ;D Clive W |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Mr650 on 08/06/04 at 15:44:08 I looked high and low for a Powrol big bore kit or some such for the Savage. No luck . Reckon we ought a shift over to some other thread like "How to make my Savage faster" so as to cool off the Wizard of Aus? :P klx650sm2002 wrote:
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Greg_650 on 08/07/04 at 03:32:52 Maybe we should switch off to another topic, because now "I'm so confused", too |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Greg_650 on 08/07/04 at 03:36:46 Mr650 wrote:
I had a DT400 Yamaha. Dual sport single. It handled like a Buick in the woods, but it ate HDs red light to red light 8) It also, had this funny habit of going super nova if you missed a shift to second. Can you say, "red line"? |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Greg_650 on 08/07/04 at 03:37:58 klx650sm2002 wrote:
I was thinking that he was talking about the 500 Kaw. |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by klx650sm2002 on 08/08/04 at 09:32:15 Which are also piston ported. Clive W |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Greg_650 on 08/09/04 at 02:19:41 My Yamahas were also piston ported. Weren't only some single cylinder dirt bikes rotor disk? |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by klx650sm2002 on 08/09/04 at 02:58:45 I think Kawasaki did a KH125 that was disc valve. Clive W |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by klx650sm2002 on 08/09/04 at 09:22:45 Two people I know have run RG500 suzuki road bikes, square four disc valve two stroke, serious horspower :o Clive W |
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Title: Re: Regulator and Saddlebags Q Post by Greg_650 on 08/09/04 at 13:25:38 I've never had the fun of seeing that :'( |
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